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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 14:26 | ||||
Did you create that marking method or was it the education system? Since it was evidently the latter then my criticism was of the Candian school board that marked the paper, not of you. Since you are not a professional philosopher then my ungracious comment was clearly not directed at you either. Nor do I regard anyone as a moron, that is simply not something I would contemplate.
I have been berating professional academic philosophy for 14 pages in this thread, and many more in other threads over the past six years that I have been posting on this site, if this is seen as sarcasm then so be it.
Nothing I wrote was a criticism of you personally.
Adding an arbitrary offset to make the numbers work is still an error on the part of the examiner (not you) - by this method a blank sheet of paper would get a 20% grade - they should have multiplied the original mark by five and left it at that, or they should have marked the paper out of 25 or they should have scored you 19.6/20. Sorry, but the grade should still be 77.5%
I don't believe there is anything here that either of us need apologise for, but for creating the misunderstanding that has ensued I do apologise for unreservedly.
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 14:07 | ||||
I read me original post to see where I made the mistake (and raising your obvious ire), The numbers were supposed to be =20 pts and not 32. So at worst, I am prone to some light dyslexia or original typo syndrome. Oh well, another failed missile test ......So do we apologize to each other, Mr Forum Admin/moderator? I just did.....
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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JoeFerguson
Forum Newbie Joined: June 04 2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 13:49 | ||||
Hey guys, wouldn't let me post in Get The Word Out section.
Would greatly appreciate it if you'd check out my Canadian Prog-Metal band that just launched! Thanks a lot! :D http://www.facebook.com/ViaPulse Edited by JoeFerguson - June 04 2013 at 13:49 |
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 13:40 | ||||
it was 38 years ago and i am still lousy in math, which probably makes me a moron in your eyes (i know I already was, Dean) but your ungracious comment about not achieving anything deserves a strong rebuke, as i am not a philosopher but a career restaurant industry businessman, so I do know how to count. I have 5 children and recently a grandfather, I think that is quite an achievement. Oh, and one last thing, I left chronic sarcasm behind a long time ago.....
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 13:26 | ||||
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7849 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 12:51 | ||||
Absolutely. I would not have it any other way. Maybe this is a large reason why I've been able to enjoy my own company all These years. Music listening has taught me so much. :) I'm with you on this one |
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14122 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 12:46 | ||||
Panta rei. It's a phylosopher who said it.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 17524 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 12:21 | ||||
Wait until you see your childrem, all of a sudden 35 years old or something like it! It's not really "change" ... it's evolution! And sometimes I think this is what we don't "get" in progressive music ... it's not about "time changes" and what not (like rock'n'roll and a lot of jazz music IS!), but about the evolution of the music, be it a theme, lyrics or otherwise. And this applies better to all the music we love, than the word "changes" ever will!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com |
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presdoug
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8618 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 11:52 | ||||
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presdoug
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8618 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 11:48 | ||||
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TODDLER
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 11:16 | ||||
It's so private for me. I don't want anyone to witness me listening to King Crimson's Islands. I don't want their opinion or reaction as to why Boz sounds cheesy singing "Beneath the winter waves" or their sarcastic comments about the music not fitting to the times we are now living in. A majority of people in society constantly place emphasis on that and it's annoying. What physically and emotionally fell into place on the day Boz recorded the vocals for Islands is timeless in it's own right. I must have a certain mind set to even hear it. White Willow has the same affect lyrically and the listening pleasure must be private and isolated....because I've noticed most people cringing at the sound of it. It's as if you end up answering a thousand questions if you broadcast the music in your living room while friends are over, put into a position to defend it and judged. If my kids hear Art Zoyd or Univers Zero, they have an understanding that it is quite like Classical music and dismiss any reaction of fear influenced from the music. They realize that the sections which create a feeling of suspense sound like my film compositions and they identify with the art somehow...even though they are too young to comprehend abstract thinking. When their friends sleep over and parents knock on the door to drop off their child...if Art Zoyd or Patricia Dallio are playing in the kitchen...it must stop immediately because if the parents hear the music they may find me questionable. Edited by TODDLER - June 04 2013 at 11:23 |
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TODDLER
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Posted: June 04 2013 at 10:41 | ||||
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14122 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 09:51 | ||||
That was 1974's phylosophy. Today it might be about Bill Gates and Malthus and you may write your dissertation about TV reality shows.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 04 2013 at 09:43 | ||||
I may not know much about philosophy but that is bloody terrible maths.
15.5/20 is 77.5% no matter how badly you do the sums. Little wonder philosophers never achieve anything.
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: June 03 2013 at 10:30 | ||||
No this was the french system, highschool diploma + university entrance exam. The famous College Stanislas in Montreal that has given us Maneige, Men Without Hats and the Box . The prof did not really know much about prog at the outset but was really appreciative of the depth of my essay, the vast amount of pictorials and the overall novelty of it all (it was in its infancy in 1974). I quoted Heidegger, Sartre, Christian Vander and Robert Fripp. I explained the evolution (progression) from rock n roll to rock and then focused on the aesthetics of combining these elements with symphonic structures. The mark was 15.5 out of 20, at the time it was multipliable by 4 and adding 32, (getting 18, 19 or 20 out of 20 is impossible ) so that comes up to 98%. A colleague got 99% on a masterful etude on the duality of the spirit! (You know, good vs evil!)
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Knobby
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 31 2013 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 490 |
Posted: June 02 2013 at 21:50 | ||||
Let me get this straight.
You got 98% in a PHILOSOPHY course and this is down mainly to a paper you did on PROG?
Ryerson by any chance?
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 02 2013 at 19:53 | ||||
That pretty much confirms everything I've said thus far.
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: June 02 2013 at 19:45 | ||||
Sort of side topic: The year is 1974, first year philosophy course ahead of next
year’s baccalaureat and our teacher arrives, long hair and a long beard (I
swear its true) and he sat down, not uttering a word for a good 15 minutes. Slowly, the sweat started dripping down our collective
faces, the silence brutally noisy and the fear palpable. After what seemed like
an interminable torture, he finally broached the silence and stated “ You are
probably all afraid of that big word-philosophy- but let me begin by opening
your eyes to what the true essence is: Any thought process is valid as long as
you have some basis for arguing your point, whether abstract or concrete. As
long as there is a developed though, the essence of humanity is always to
attempt to go beyond” . With another 45 minutes to go, he got up and said: ”Class
dismissed!” Instant relief! My final written dissertation at the year’s end was about,
yeah, you guessed it “Progressive rock” ! 27 pages full of pictures and
graphics as well as extended definitions, I still have it today in my
possession. BTW, I got a 98% passing grade, second highest in my class. Not EVERYTHING is a cost/benefit analysis after all…….Sorry
for all the tunnelheads/accountants/Cartesians |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 02 2013 at 17:48 | ||||
You haven't read every post have you? Do you really think I would arrive at this conclusion out of ignorance?
[splendorous? really? are you sure? okay, if you say so ]
You mean this one?
Did you not understand the question? Much lower than previously by what meter? Duration? Magnitude? Frequency? Occurrence? Concurrence? Death-toll? Survival-rate? Numbers affected? Areas involved? Are you claiming by any chance that "Philosophy" as a formal academic discipline is responsible for alleviating any (even the minutest immeasurable amount) of the suffering inflicted by war or starvation by any direct or indirect means you care to mention? Do you think that the 45 violent conflicts that are currently being waged around the world is a LOW number? There are only 192 countries on this planet to squabble over (ffs). Don't you think that after kicking the crap out of each other for the past 10,000+ years we would have actually learnt something by now other than throwing things at high velocity at human beings causes them to die? You say that "History tells us" - show me where, because I honestly don't see it.
[not just war: UN warns of looming worldwide food crisis in 2013]
I think we haven't proven a damn thing.
No, it isn't. That is "philosophy" claiming the win it is not entitled to. (this looks like a "everything good is the result of philosophy and everything bad is not" argument again)
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7849 |
Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:54 | ||||
Philosophy implies some education?? No. It implies a lot of education. Philosophy is like analyzing and understanding poetry. Some people really get it and some really don't at all. There is no in between.
Actually, one person who definately knows what he talking about DEREK DICK a.k.a FISH of MARILLION. He is actually smart and sophisticated enough to combine his love of poetry and philosophy together. It is so evident on the FUGAZI album. Incredible lyricist. Very smart man. :) |
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