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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:

I think they should be on progarchives because of the soundscapes on their music, their musicianship that is compared to prog musicians in my opinion and their various influences. They also played with prog musicians. I think they should be labeled as Prog-Related.

The musicianship "per se" is not a determinant factor for an inclusion, anybody can mention at least 100 Pop, Rock or Jazz musicians with no less musicianship than the average Prog artist, but that's not enough, they have to make Prog music to be considered prog or be directly related with Prog to be added to Prog Related.

The Police is not a Prog or Prog Related band, they emerged in the Post Punk-New Wave scenario and that defined they're career.

And if we had to add musicians who played with Prog Artists, we would have to add at least 10,000 more bands or artists, including Randy Jackson (Yes, the guy of American Idol), because he was bassist in Journey and with Jean-Luc Ponty for several albums.

Not every good band or artist is Prog, that has to be understood IMO.

Randy Jackson dosen't have any prog elements. But the Police has some. 
And okay I will do a poll about Sting later.
I love his music
 


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I like The Police, but noooooooooooooooo.
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My vote is NO even if I like The Police, but given that Iron Maiden are in PA I don't know how to construct my argument...
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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Don't tell anyone but Andy Summers snuck in with Robert Fripp.  And of course Stewart Copeland with Curved Air. I think Sting has successfully been kept off this site. LOL

Copeland is here as a solo artist and as a member of Oysterhead as well, but that of should be about as close to adding the Police as we should get IMHO.



Oh yeah, forgot about that, shame on me as I have that one.Embarrassed

If I haven't said it before, I have a lot of solo Summers and I think he does belong in JRF.

Wait a second, Copeland snuck in as a solo?   Totally missed that.


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 30 2012 at 11:39
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Should Police be on PA LOL......Stern Smile? NOOOOOOOOO + multiple O's (*highlight* and *underline*).
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^ i can hear prog tones from Downs also, his piano solo part on the next last track on debute is really good
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 10:59
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
 
Well, for the reasons Slarti states above and for Strontium 90 with Mike Howlett  there is an argument to be made


Your relatives were lineage to the throne but you were a commoner, what's your argument?
 
I don't really have an argument as I don't think they should be here.  I was just saying it might not be a comletely ridiculous suggestion for some connections.  (We are talking about Prog Related not symphonic Prog).


I'd be struggling to justify this as the OP has rather cunningly proffered Asia as a rebuttal, but I would hazard that the latter did not deliberately set out to sound like a 80's white reggae/pop hybrid i.e.Asia could be deemed premeditated commercial Prog like 80's Yes and Genesis perchance?


I don't know about other Asia albums but the first one is just AOR.  The only reason it might sound prog is the tones of Steve Howe, Carl Palmer and Wetton can be heard.  And that's where any association with prog ends.
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If you're motivated, look up the previous discussions of Strontium 90. If Sr90 was rejected, I can't imagine why the Police would fare any better.
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Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:

  
But the Police has something to do with prog because Stewart Copeland played with Curved Air and the three members of this Reggae/Punk/Ska/etc. band also formed a supergroup with the ex Gong bassist singer Mike Howlett. 

Yeah, that argument gets shredded every time.  Terry Bozzio appeared with Zappa, Group 87, David Torn, UK, Jeff Beck and many others, but I don't think anyone would ever suggest Missing Persons ought to be considered 'prog-related'.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Don't tell anyone but Andy Summers snuck in with Robert Fripp.  And of course Stewart Copeland with Curved Air. I think Sting has successfully been kept off this site. LOL

Copeland is here as a solo artist and as a member of Oysterhead as well, but that of should be about as close to adding the Police as we should get IMHO.
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A few proggy tracks here and there, but not prog-related IMO. 
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385
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Syncronisity is MUCH more then rehashed white reagge and pop, it got jazz, it got elements of world music, punk, new wave, post punk, not very far of what a certain guy like Peter Gabriel created at exactly around the same time,
some complex layers are snuggeling its way througout the album, it does not make the Police a prog rock band, but the art rock aestethics is inside the body fo the band, it is like most band composing of more then just two sounds pop, or reagge but ceveral types (i could come up with 6 or 7 variations of popular music by just spinning that lone album), bands are more complex even if they are predomenantly pop music based, and some pop music is suprisingly intricate, and intricacy is related to complexity, and complexity is not only instrumentation, but compotition, arangements, production, songstructure, singing, lyrics, or more then those elements combined, complexity in using a wide array of tools to flash out a musical piece is the more comlex part of music making, which reflects most of the prog bands that we love and sherish, but also some of that also defines the pop band the Police, who in almoust all criterias reach the same amount of complexitys as bands like Genesis does, only different parameters are used, but the elements of comlexity is it, it is just combined diferently with different mindsetts and times, ......
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
 
Well, for the reasons Slarti states above and for Strontium 90 with Mike Howlett  there is an argument to be made


Your relatives were lineage to the throne but you were a commoner, what's your argument?
 
I don't really have an argument as I don't think they should be here.  I was just saying it might not be a comletely ridiculous suggestion for some connections.  (We are talking about Prog Related not symphonic Prog).


I'd be struggling to justify this as the OP has rather cunningly proffered Asia as a rebuttal, but I would hazard that the latter did not deliberately set out to sound like a 80's white reggae/pop hybrid i.e.Asia could be deemed premeditated commercial Prog like 80's Yes and Genesis perchance?
 
I missed that Asia bit.  Anyway, Mr Lemming you been on the sauce?  You seem a little argumentative.  Or still trying to get over the first of the 5:0 whitewash that Australia have started?
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
 
Well, for the reasons Slarti states above and for Strontium 90 with Mike Howlett  there is an argument to be made


Your relatives were lineage to the throne but you were a commoner, what's your argument?
 
I don't really have an argument as I don't think they should be here.  I was just saying it might not be a comletely ridiculous suggestion for some connections.  (We are talking about Prog Related not symphonic Prog).


I'd be struggling to justify this as the OP has rather cunningly proffered Asia as a rebuttal, but I would hazard that the latter did not deliberately set out to sound like a 80's white reggae/pop hybrid i.e.Asia could be deemed premeditated commercial Prog like 80's Yes and Genesis perchance?
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
 
Well, for the reasons Slarti states above and for Strontium 90 with Mike Howlett  there is an argument to be made


Your relatives were lineage to the throne but you were a commoner, what's your argument?
 
I don't really have an argument as I don't think they should be here.  I was just saying it might not be a comletely ridiculous suggestion for some connections.  (We are talking about Prog Related not symphonic Prog).
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
 
Well, for the reasons Slarti states above and for Strontium 90 with Mike Howlett  there is an argument to be made


Your relatives were lineage to the throne but you were a commoner, what's your argument?
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Don't tell anyone but Andy Summers snuck in with Robert Fripp.  And of course Stewart Copeland with Curved Air. I think Sting has successfully been kept off this site. LOL
 
We can't let Sting in as well as everyone knows they don't get on together any more.  It would only end badlyOuch

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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
 
Well, for the reasons Slarti states above and for Strontium 90 with Mike Howlett  there is an argument to be made
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I noticed that in the last few months the suggestions here seem to have been generally quite well founded or the more ridiculous suggestions may have been pounced on immediately by the admins.

How on earth did this one sneak through?
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