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Dean 
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 Posted: May 02 2010 at 04:51 |
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Mrs Duffy should have told the press she would sell her story on the 7th May.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: May 02 2010 at 03:15 |
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I agree with Trouserpress. If she has sold her story, she is just doing what the rest of the population in UK would had done. That is how the society has become. A Max Clifford driven society. Which is fair enough. I think any attack on this lady is hypocritical and a contempt for the working class. Anyone from the working class would had sold their story to the press if given the chance. So Mrs. Duffy has just done the working class thing by aspiring to better her life. |
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The Hemulen
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
Posted: May 02 2010 at 02:45 |
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I really wouldn't be so quick to judge her for selling her story. Look at it from her perspective - she was planning to vote Labour (I think I'm right in saying she comes from a 'Labour family' so this was as much out of a sense of tradition as anything) and had the opportunity to run a few of her concerns past Gordon Brown. She just that and thought it had gone rather well, only to be told shortly afterwards by journalists that the PM had just called her a bigot. At that point her faith in politics (and particularly in the Labour Party) is understandably dwindling. Amidst all this, the journalists and publicists flock round her and tell her that she can make a shedload of money just by doing a few interviews in which she can openly share her disappointment in Brown and politics in general. Under those circumstances I think the majority of people would be more than a little tempted to say yes. Suggesting she lacks morals because she sold her story strikes me as a bit like saying it's the fault of a carcass that it's getting devoured by vultures. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 01 2010 at 22:06 |
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Hmmm, so she's sold her story to the press.
That just shows how silly she is. Sorry, you don't make money out of something like this if you actually have morals. Maybe Brown was right all along. |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 01 2010 at 03:11 |
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It seems Rob and I agree on this subject.
 I was actually watching the Gillian Duffy and Gordon Brown conversation live on BBC News 24. I did feel that she was full of questions, wasn't really fully listening to what he was saying and yet being a Labour Supporter (at the time), sounded more like a Tory with her words. Surely if she was a genuine Labour supporter, she wouldn't have been quite so vocal? I know you cannot agree with every policy by the party you follow but if you disagree with too many policies, then surely you have to ask yourself who your allegiance should really be with? I also do agree with Jim and Andy though. I don't think she is bigoted. It's just she was poor in the way she expressed her views and so they may have come across as such. I watched Gordon Brown being interviewed by Jeremy Paxman (I saw the end, not all of it) and he came across surprisingly well. He wasn't unnerved by him. Plus he really does know his stuff. That's a lot of information to remember. Much kudos to him for that! |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 01 2010 at 03:01 |
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I wasn't saying Cameron and Clegg would have a gaffe in Rochdale. They could have had a gaffe in any place and could have said anything about anyone from any background. |
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Henry Plainview
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Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 21:09 |
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It's even worse in the US. As far as I'm concerned, getting -gate added to everything was the worst thing Nixon did. People complain about Republicans complaining about the "liberal media", but, in fairness, the media is astoundingly stupid. I don't think Sky did anything wrong. Hot mike candor is one of the best and funniest things about politics. But I like chaos.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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TGM: Orb
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Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 13:58 |
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GD: But there's too many people now who aren't vulnerable but they can claim and people who are vulnerable can't get claim, can't get it. PM: But they shouldn't be doing that. There's no life on the dole for people any more. If you're unemployed you've got to go back to work. It's six months... GD: You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're... all these Eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from? ---Personally, I can't see exactly what concerns she's supposedly trying to express? Particularly in the light of the trailing off first half of the sentence and the context of the previous conversation. Regardless, the way she expresses it is very easily interpreted as bigoted. I mean, imagine if Mr. Brown had said 'You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're... all these Eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?' in one of the televised debates... the media would be swarming on his still-warm political corpse. |
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 11:15 |
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Indeed. 100% |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Jim Garten
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Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:01 |
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I disagree - she expressed concern at an issue which is in many peoples' minds; the problem was she wasn't the most articulate of people, so the way she expressed the concerns could have come across that way. |
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TGM: Orb
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Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:25 |
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That's true, nevertheless, he was unaware he was wired up, and I still feel it's a very cheap move on the part of the TV station to publicise comments that are obviously meant as private. Honestly, would that woman have had to leave her home if Sky hadn't run with the story? Blaming Brown for that certainly unintended consequence seems to miss the point. Bigoted is bigoted, whether the BNP says it, or this woman says it, or I say it. It perhaps is better to discuss these matters in the open, though I think it's also, in that case, better to honestly condemn what deserves honest condemnation. Don't feel the conservative posturing towards immigration caps is either honest or rational. Either way, 'bigotgate'... I really, really wish we had some journalists with the creativity to come up with a new catch-all for scandals... I mean, 'climategate', 'bigotgate' etc. are just embarrassing. |
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TGM: Orb
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Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:16 |
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And in terms of unscrupulous behaviour, I am quite angry about this and the general tone which Alec Salmond and Ieuan Wyn Jones have approached the parliamentary debates. Does Salmond really think that someone with no interest whatsoever in representing the entire country (indeed, whose main appeal to voters appears to be a lack of interest in representing the entire country) has any place on there?
Personally, thought Brown performed best in the first debate by far, and since both he and Cameron said a lot of nothing in the economy debate, I might suggest the Lib Dems were strongest in that one. Concerning foreign policy, I'm as yet unsure. Don't think Cameron's lived up to expectations. Probably voting Lib Dems, partly because I'm in a marginal with them and the conservatives and the constituency MP is excellent, partly because I think if the Tories get an absolute majority, the delay to any sort of meaningful democratic reform is an enormous wasted opportunity. |
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toroddfuglesteg
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Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:11 |
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When you are wired up to a TV station and have agreed that what goes in there is the intellectual property of that TV station, you have, literary speaking, signed away your privacy. As an immigrant myself and probably one of those who this lady from Rochdale does not approve off, I did not feel her concerns was bigoted. If we are calling her comments bigoted, we are opening the door to the parliament for the likes of BNP. It is better to discuss matters in the open than suppress these matters. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - April 30 2010 at 09:15 |
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TGM: Orb
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Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 09:00 |
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The woman sounded bigoted to me. I agree that she didn't deserve to be forced to leave her home. Would hardly use the word 'back-stab', pretty sure Brown was stressed and didn't know the mic was on? If it's anyone's fault, it's sky news for following Murdoch's huge conservative bias and running with a conversation that was believed to be private. Certainly, it should hardly be on the radar compared to one borderline homophobic comment by the shadow home secretary under similar circumstances. |
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toroddfuglesteg
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Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 07:10 |
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Not really although I cannot stand the type of backstabbing and contempt Gordon Brown has shown here. It is morally repugnant. But if David Cameron had done it, I would had understood it. The Tories has never been a friend of the council estates in Rochdale. I suspect if some black death had wiped them out, no tears would had been shed in their homes in the Home Counties. Nick Clegg has no business in those council estates too. They are Labour homelands. The reason why I am angry is that up to that point, I warmly defended Gordon Brown. And as you know; there is no rage like the rage from the ones who has been betrayed.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 06:38 |
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As Jim said, Dave or Nick could have also suffered the same fate so easily. Would you (Torodfuglestag) have therefore felt like you had been stabbed in the back by them as well?
It seems the incident hasn't affected the opinion polls to much anyhow. Yes, he's still polling third but he the percentage hasn't dropped much. Unfortunately it seems people are still falling for the Conservatives. I can understand why the Lib Dems have picked up votes, due to Nick Clegg but David Cameron hasn't really been that great in the three debates (and I'm not saying that because I am biased -- Clegg won the debates and not solely on policies either). Having said that, he's probably about even, perhaps a bit better than Brown in terms of the 3 debates (and not because I agree with the Tory policies). |
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Zebedee
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Posted: April 30 2010 at 05:07 |
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^Yeah that's what i thought. The immense amount of stress and the
negative public perception haunting Brown must have driven him to
despair. It's easy to make a blunder like Brown did during such a
stressful campaign.
Besides that, it's usually in the nature of a shy man (which Brown, according to himself, is) to not show his real feelings directly to strangers like Mrs. Duffy. All in all, it was an understandable but unfortunate accident. |
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Friendship is like wetting your pants: everyone can see it, but only you can feel its warmth. |
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Cactus Choir
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Joined: July 26 2008 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1038 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 04:48 |
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Yes, Brown's reaction to the incident was bizarre. It seemed a perfectly reasonable encounter - she asked some pointed questions and he answered them in a polite and informative way. I don't know how he could judge that "a disaster" and as you say he came out of it rather favourably if anything. The man must be paranoid about how he's perceived. |
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub" |
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 04:37 |
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Depends on your political perspective. Britain spent most of the 70's in the poor house, from what I remember. We were regarded as the 'sick man of Europe' We had three day working weeks and frequent powercuts under the tories, and years of strikes under Labour. The unions basically had the Labour party by the nuts, and their actions landed us with 17 years of Tory rule. I remember my father and his Conservative club friends raising their glasses in a toast to the trade unions at a Con party fund raising event.... 
We were in recession in the early 80's under Thatcher, then again under John Major in the early 90's. |
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toroddfuglesteg
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Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: April 30 2010 at 03:39 |
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Yes, off course she was hounded out of her home by the press. But she entered into a conversation with the PM in the belief that this was a conversation and it ended there. Due to the dishonesty and two-faced nature of Gordon Brown; it did not. I have no gripes with the Labour Party, the other victim of this dishonesty. But I have issues with backstabbing, two-faced individuals. The conspiracy against the working class (in his own world, ie the Labour Party) is an idea expressed by John Prescott * in his blog/twitter feed that same day. But it never fails to amuse me that all the parties who are set up to represent the working class, more or less have their origins among the middle classes and mostly at the universities. I am mostly referring to the extreme leftist parties here. * = The microphone was placed on Gordon Brown with his permission and in the understanding that all he said was the intellectual property of Sky News which they could use to their discretion. Neither the Labour Party or Gordon Brown has disputed this.
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