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The T 
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 Posted: April 12 2009 at 19:20 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Yes T, the Who are barely PR. as a fact I don't believe they belong here, we done them a bad service calling them related to anything, they are probably the Nº 1 Rock band ever and that's better than calling them Prog Related.
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I don't know what The Beatles or The Rolling Stones fans would have to say about that...
... but hey... it's all OPINION. Mine or yours....
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:57 |
Yes T, the Who are barely PR. as a fact I don't believe they belong here, we done them a bad service calling them related to anything, they are probably the Nº 1 Rock band ever and that's better than calling them Prog Related.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:57 |
The T wrote:
cacho wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
The T wrote:
The Who in general is overrated. |
Could you elaborate? |
I assume he's kidding...right, T?
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No. I'm not kidding. And I don't care to elaborate beyond this: I have never understood what's so important and unique in The Who's musical output for rock....
Anyway, as we all do with bands we think are overrated, I'm free to say this am I right? Or saying The Who, a barely-prog-related band in PA is overrated, is forbidden? |
Hey, I just thought you would understand the joke, just like Raff stated, about the 'Overrated Bands' thread... No it's not forbidden to say The Who is overrated, and you know it. I love them personally, since they were my introduction to 70's/60's music, but I can understand others don't see what I see, just like I when I can't see something others see/hear.
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:54 |
Tommy is revolutionary for several reasons:
1.- Defined the term Rock Opera: Before this album there was no Rock Opera, The Pretty Things released a short cyclical story called SF Sorrow, but "The Who did a complete story that covers decades and full of characters, to make it more clear, The Who started to work on Tommy long before The Pretty Things, but the ambitious project took more time. As a fact, the first album described as a Rock Opera is Tommy
2.- Has the perfect balance: The Who covered several genres, from embryonic Prog (Overture, Underture, Amazing Journey) to Rock (See Me Feel Me, I'm Free, etc) passing through POP (Pinball Wizard).
3.- Passed the test of time: Still today, Tommy keeps selling, while most of the Rock Operas, including the amazing Jesus Christ Superstar, are outdated.
4.- Has a totally coherent and complex story: Full of criticism to society, false Messiahs, cults, etc.
5.- It marked an era: It's clear that after Tommy, things were never the same, the 3.30 minutes limit was dead, long stories were not a sin, everything changed
What more can you ask?
If all those achievements mean it's overrated, then I don't know what can be considered great.
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The T
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:47 |
cacho wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
The T wrote:
The Who in general is overrated. |
Could you elaborate? |
I assume he's kidding...right, T?
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No. I'm not kidding. And I don't care to elaborate beyond this: I have never understood what's so important and unique in The Who's musical output for rock....
Anyway, as we all do with bands we think are overrated, I'm free to say this am I right? Or saying The Who, a barely-prog-related band in PA is overrated, is forbidden?
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:46 |
Tommy IS indeed over-rated
But it was groundbreaking album back in its days and an outstanding achievement for Townsend
The movie was allright too.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:44 |
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I think The Who went on to write far, FAR superior work, like "Who's Next", "Quadrophenia" and "Who Are You". I just don't get all the mystique that surrounds "Tommy"
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I'm inclined to agree with everything but the "Who Are You" bit. That one's a rather messy affair. The other two albums you mentioned, however, are miles ahead of what "Tommy" has to offer both in terms of tunes and concept.
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:41 |
cacho wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
The T wrote:
The Who in general is overrated. |
Could you elaborate? |
I assume he's kidding...right, T?
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No, he probably doesn't like the band, so he thinks they're overrated   ...
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:31 |
mr.cub wrote:
The T wrote:
The Who in general is overrated. |
Could you elaborate? |
I assume he's kidding...right, T?
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mr.cub
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:27 |
The T wrote:
The Who in general is overrated. |
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:20 |
The Who in general is overrated.
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 17:33 |
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Personally, I think The Wall is much better musically than Tommy, and I don't believe the movie did it much justice. However, I saw PF's opus performed on stage in 1980 - that, IMHO, was its ideal setting.
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Ah, indeed. Is There Anybody Out There? >>>>> Live at Leeds Tommy version, as well as Isle of Wight's version The Wall (the movie) = Tommy (the movie) The Wall (studio) > Tommy (studio) (though it's close)
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 16:41 |
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 11:34 |
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 11:18 |
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yep... Tommy 'live' was where the brilliance came out... remember before Tommy was released the group was noted for smashing guitars and a few hit songs... with Tommy they skyrocketed to the rarified air of the Beatles and Stones and became a world-class rock band. Before Tommy... they could hardly pay the bills.
what is overrated about that... too many confuse their own tastes for fact... no... it isn't overrated not at all...
but no.. the album musically wasn't a patch on what they did with it live....
sure they weren't the first to do a rock opera... but what they were ...were the first to make Joe Six-Pack in bum-f**k Oklahoma sit up.. take notice.. and buy the albums. So what is overrated about that hahha.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 11:09 |
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Personally, I think The Wall is much better musically than Tommy, and I don't believe the movie did it much justice. However, I saw PF's opus performed on stage in 1980 - that, IMHO, was its ideal setting.
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 10:56 |
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^ I actually find both rather dull...The Wall is more unpleasant to me while Tommy is much too pleasant. Certainly in a live setting both were a lot better. Personally ,The Lamb and Quadrophenia are my rock operas of choice...
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 10:38 |
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You can count me too. Musically I find it quite dull and boring. Pinball wizard is the only track I realy enjoy in this album. Also the wall is not PF's great output IMO but it's miles better than Tommy.
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 10:28 |
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I agree, from all the acclaimed Who efforts, Tommy is the least rewarding for me. I haven't listen to the album since last year, I think, however, the movie, IMO is much better, and was my introduction to the band and to a lot of 60's/70's music, so I have a lot of respect for it.
Though just like with The Wall, since I started both with the movie of each, I find superior the movie, and the studio versions kind of weak, since these albums are full-blown Rock Opera's, and the concentration is in the story, rather than in the music, it's better to see and listen, rather to just listen..
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 10:27 |
p0mt3 wrote:
mr.cub wrote:
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Yes, yes, I know . . . along with Sgt. Pepper and Days of Future Passed, "Tommy" served as one of the first concepts albums, and I completely understand and appreciate the importance of the piece musically, BUT . . .
I don't care for it much. I think The Who went on to write far, FAR superior work, like "Who's Next", "Quadrophenia" and "Who Are You". I just don't get all the mystique that surrounds "Tommy", other than the fact that it was major step towards Prog, which I absolutely get, but musically it gets a bit draining, at least for me, and the next four albums that followed it left it in the dust.
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YES. I cannot agree more. Even their previous album miles ahead of Tommy IMHO. My review, albeit brief, says all I have to say...
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Glad someone else here shares my feelings about the whole thing.  |
 I'm an avid Who fan and feel Townsend is a much better writer when he focuses on real, personal topics. Tommy seems to be the anomoly in The Who catalouge in its seemingly abstract concept; sure it has its emotional moments, but it comes nowhere near something like Quadrophenia or By the Numbers in its ability to grab me in 110%.
If it was a single album with the great musical ideas Tommy only briefly covers and no rock opera label etc, I would hold it in much higher esteem. For this reason I am thankful Lifehouse fell flat on its face...the passion on Who's Next is so enjoyable for me, so many moods and emotions.
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