Cem Karaca (Turkish progressive master)

i have found a new link about cem karaca ; http://psychemusic.org/turkey.html#anchor_131


any answer?? 

Edited by Dervisan - February 17 2009 at 19:04

upload was finished let s listen "safinaz" LP

SAFİNAZ  LP  (Cem Karaca - Edirdahan)  1979

1.Safinaz  http://www.imeem.com/progressiverock/music/h4svR_C8/cem_karacaedirdahan_safinazmp3/ 

2.Karam  http://www.imeem.com/progressiverock/music/5b3cMmZU/cem_karacaedirdahan_karammp3/

3.Şeyh Bedrettin Destanı  http://www.imeem.com/progressiverock/music/9aGctWKI/cem_karacaedirdahan_eyh_bedrettin_destanmp3/                                           


Edited by Dervisan - February 16 2009 at 17:06

and i have to give Cem Karaca - Dervisan's links of  "Yoksulluk Kader Olamaz" album (LP) ' s links and other singles links again. Because  i couldnt find some links of all songs  and some songs youtube links had really bad quality (remember ) 

i will give "yoksulluk kader olamaz" LP and then i will give the singles with a shedule...

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Yoksulluk Kader Olamaz  [poorness cant be the destiny] (Cem Karaca - Dervişan , 1977)

A SIDE

1.Kerem Gibi  http://www.imeem.com/esensn/music/mR1k4X8u/cem_karaca_kerem_gb/
2.Bir Ögretmene Ağıt (i will upload this)
3.Adiloş Bebe http://www.imeem.com/people/dtFtMa/music/52mIfcQn/cem_karaca_02_adilo_bebe/
4.İşçi Marşı http://www.imeem.com/dirtyhary/music/dshNT8xD/cem_karaca_isci_marsi/
5.Maden Ocağının Dibinde http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNjohQICps (it has got concert record already - this links quality is really bad)

B SIDE

1.Sevdan Beni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcL4XFy1Or8
2.Vay Kurban  http://www.imeem.com/people/dtFtMa/music/ZhpeuVNn/cem_karaca_10_vay_kurban/
3.Yoksulluk Kader Olamaz http://www.imeem.com/people/cVaJVwD/music/Bp3_8BPu/cem_karaca_yoksulluk_kader_olmaz/

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Beyaz Atlı / Yiğitler (Single) Cem Karaca - Dervisan 1974

1.Yiğitler  http://www.imeem.com/esensn/music/QhHuDKFc/cem_karaca_ytler/  

2. Beyaz Atlı (i will upload) - its 2th version of this song , 1th version was done with Cem Karaca Kardaşlar

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Tamirci Çırağı / Nerdesin (single) Cem Karaca - Dervisan 1975

1. Tamirci Çırağı  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtGpYYyGOkI 
2. Nerdesin  http://www.imeem.com/dirtyhary/music/SQlHpc-a/cem_karaca_nerdesin/

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Mutlaka Yavrum / Kavga (single) Cem Karaca - Dervişan 1975

1.Mutlaka Yavrum http://www.imeem.com/esensn/music/sIqnN7xJ/cem_karaca_mutlaka_yavrum_2/
2.Kavga http://www.imeem.com/people/cVaJVwD/music/oxRcR_Qr/cem_karaca_cem_karacakavga/

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Beni Siz Delirttiniz / Niyazi (single) Cem Karaca- Dervisan 1975

1.Beni Siz Delirttiniz .. i have got a concert record.. it s heavy political song... there is no link
2.Niyazi http://www.imeem.com/soymet/music/9w71IbRb/cem_karaca_nyaz/

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Parka / İhtarname (single) Cem Karaca - Dervişan 1976

1.Parka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-V5z_bxC8
2.İhtarname http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY4eyUtBMrQ

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Mor Perşembe / Bir Mirasyediye Ağıt (single) Cem Karaca Dervisan 1977

1.Mor Perşembe ... there is no link ..i will add..
2.Bir Mirasyediye Ağıt  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX4PmEQdYpQ

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1 Mayıs / Durduramayacaklar halkın coskun akan selini (single) Cem Karaca Dervisan 1977

1. 1 Mayıs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEptwH_PWWA
2.  Durduramayacaklar halkın coskun akan selini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRkDA3crZD0

"SAFİNAZ"  ALBUM WITH CEM KARACA - EDİRDAHAN ... COMMİNG SOON ...




Edited by Dervisan - February 15 2009 at 20:04

song; Maden Ocağının Dibinde
album; Yoksulluk Kader Olamaz
band ; Cem Karaca - Dervisan
concert; 1977 Ankara (german guy made comment about "sevdan beni" in this concertit is really amazing song with really crazy keyboard (Uğur Dikmen- from Cem Karaca/Dervisan and Assia Minor Mission). you will listen this too. but it s not 13 minutes. he is false)

http://www.imeem.com/progressiverock/music/_5SuDs67/cem_karacadervisan_04_maden_ocaginin_dibindemp3/   


Edited by Dervisan - February 19 2009 at 06:29

http://worldmusic.nationalgeographic.com/worldmusic/view/page.basic/genre/content.genre/turkish_pop   ;  "Turkey also caught rock & roll fever, particularly in the late 60s and throughout the 70s, with the emergence of Anatolian Rock—a genre that took its influence equally from the folklore of Anatolia, as well as the emerging international counterculture. The new wave of artists, Baris Manço & Kurtalan Ekspres, Erkin Koray, Cem Karaca, and Mogollar, used traditional poems, epics and themes to create psychedelia, giving birth to a new form of Turkish progressive music."

http://sthweb.bu.edu/shaw/anna-howard-shaw-center/biography?view=mediawiki&article=Turkish_rock_music (the site of boston university)  ; "Following these developments, from 1966 to about 1975, psychedelic rock became extremely popular in Turkey, notably the work of guitarist Erkin Koray. After that, more progressive-styled bands garnered popularity, with older performers like Cem Karaca (Safinaz, 1978) and Moğollar (Düm-tek) moving as well towards progressive Anatolian rock style."

Dervişan, though I replied the same questions you handled, (see above, right beneath Ivan's post in question) thanks for giving another point of view, and mentioning at least two "progressive" sites mentioning Cem.

on a sidenote, if anyone has trouble in understanding Dervisan's English, and feels that he's offending (because he's not!), feel free to drop me a note with the hard-to-comprehend part. I'll delightfully explain it in "Queen's English "
The same goes for you, Dervişan. In case you have trouble in understanding what other forum members say (including myself!), just send me a PM, and I'll explain it in Turkish.... Republic Turkish

Cem Karaca "progressive" discography... coming soon

I thought you were just being humble when you said your English was very bad in your early posts; but indeed it gets worse . Or maybe it's just because you're sick (geçmiş olsun bu arada!),or when you write too much you just can't keep good grammar altogether (bunları seni aşağılamak için yazmıyorum, hakkını teslim ediyorum sadece )

Anyways, no problem! I got thew whole idea of what you wanted to express, and that's the point! If there's anyone who has hard time dealing with Dervisan's poor grammar, I'm all yours to help (I'm an English Language Teaching department graduate and currently working as a book translator from English to Turkish )

Thank you for backing me up (actually it was I who backed you up in the first place ), and I mentioned the same things you mentioned about Mogollar in the collab's zone. Nice example of "Born to be wild", indeed! I heard Murat Ses's Agri Dagi Efsanesi version before I heard anything from Steppenwolf; that I thought (based on Murat Ses's version) this band might have played progressive music! (well, at least studio version of that particular track has little to do with prog anyway!)

One more thing: You don't have to evaluate the entire output of the "three big ones" (Cem, Baris, Erkin) in order to appreciate the progressive factor in their music. Just a quick look between 1973 & 1985 would be enough for all three! (though both Cem and Erkin continued to show progressive leanings every now and then, such as "Devlerin Nefesi", and surprisingly good "Bindik Bir Alamete"...) As I said earlier (though I'm not sure if I mentioned this in this thread), the music scene in Turkey followed the rest of the world, particularly European rock scene, some four~five years behind, so, many Turkish bands played psychedelic rock (pure psychedelia, not pysch-prog) from 1968 to 1972, and only after this date did our musicians started to get involved in what we can call "prog". Even the album format, which is an indispensible characteristic of progressive music, spread out after 1973, not to mention the fact that debut albums of these three "great" names were all compilations! (though both Erkin's and Baris's 1st albums were illegitimate. Moreover, Cem Karaca didn't release a non-compilation album until 1977!) Consequently, these names produced their "progressive" masterpieces when the world thought prog was about to die (CK - Yoksulluk Kader Olamaz: 1977, Safinaz: 1978, BM - Yeni Bir Gün: 1979, Sözüm Meclisten Disari - 1981, EK - Erkin Koray Tutkusu: 1977) and the progressive tendencies in their music continued well into the mid '80's (some other artists followed this tradition as well; and I don't think the timing of two Asia Minor albums are coincidence, late '79's & early '80's, though this band is half-French). Of course, I'm talking about the "mainstream" symphonic, crossover, psychedelic, eclectic, folk and heavy prog genres here. Jazz Rock-Fusion, Avant-Prog-RIO and Zeuhl is an entirely different story, in which our beloved musicians unfortunately had no part in... and of course, post-1980 prog genres such as neo-prog, post-rock and prog metal has nothing to do with our topic, either .

for the sake of consistency, for my next post I'm planning to make a list of all "progressive" records Cem Karaca produced, mainly between 1970 & 1984 (I personally don't think there's much we can call prog before 1970, with a couple of notable exceptions, who can overlook Şans Çocuğu or Gılgamış!)

^ Gunesh Ensemble became popular in the beginning of the 80s, when Turkmenistan was a part of the Soviet Union. Their CDs on PA were released by Russian label Boheme Records. Gunesh leader, Rishad Shafi, is an excellent drummer. Those who saw him live (he often played in Moscow in the 90s - 2000s) told me comparisons with Bill Bruford are valid.

on a side note, I'm allright with Metallica's (as well as Maiden's & Sabbath's) presence here... I regard Master of Puppets & And Justice for All (with the possible inclusion of Ride the Lightning) best prog metal albums ever! (and I am as far away to prog metal as anyone can be )

if you'd known his loyal fans in Turkey (fans of his '70's work, like Dervisan and I, not casual fans who like one or two catchy tunes...) you'd understand that he'd actually managed to create more than just one passionate fan . It's just that he (along with other notable Turkish artists) is not being promoted well enough. Luckily, Dervisan undertook that case recently .
It's a pity that people still think of "Midnight Express" when it comes to Turkey. This has to change, and I have to give credit to Dervisan for his brave attempt on this cause.