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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2008 at 16:04
T, quality is subjective, and good is just a word to express a certain equally subjective level of quality. Just like cold is a subjective word explaining something about the temperature of your Icelandic block of Ice.... Wink
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Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

Oh dear, why the negativity people? Every music is good in some way or another
 
I thought that was true until I re-heard the icelandic block of ice....
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Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

Oh dear, why the negativity people? Every music is good in some way or another


That's not the spirit of this thread! Cede to the part of you that wishes to rant! Lay objectivity aside! ;P

Besides, a lot of people count "boring or unrewarding to them" as bad, and that's the spirit of criticism. Personally, I find anything unoriginal and genre-typical to be bad, and say so. Like this: New Tiles album is atrocious! =P


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Oh dear, why the negativity people? Every music is good in some way or another
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Originally posted by hasheten hasheten wrote:

my only intention is to be tasteful, 30 seconds to mars proclaim to be a progressive band, and in my opinion make bland tasteless music.  it seems i keep breaking imaginary rules, or maybe you just dont like my name?


No problem with your opinion, nor with your name here. No politics either, but feel free to talk to my fellow admins. All I'm asking is that you keep an eye on how you express yourself. I admit that what you wrote above is not the biggest problem on this site, but reading it within 20 minutes of the post I hid last night, I felt I had to let you know. W.r.t. to your remark about musicians talking like that in rock bands: possibly, but rockbands don't discuss this in such way on forums like this, which are also visited by kids.
As for the wallabees: the fact that you recognised that as the joke it was supposed to be should be sufficient to explain how dangerous expressing yourself in writing on a forum can be.
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Originally posted by Teh_Slippermenz Teh_Slippermenz wrote:

"Discipline" by King CrimsonI got it out of the library. Listened to all of it. The only track I was able to stand listening to more than once was "Elephant Talk". I'm sorry, but that is probably the most disappointing progressive album that I have ever spent time listening to.



You should listen to it more closely, it is more creative than a typical Prog album. Well I guess it has non-popular music elements in it that do not sit well with some fans, but its worth is in the experiment and concept it is trying to accomplish. It is called Discipline for a reason! The picking control that Mr Fripp does on that album is test of concentration and sheer willpower. One of the best albums, as regards to qualifying musicianship they have ever done. It is albums like that, which bring them above the Progressive rock genre into something academically recognized.

The most disappointing would be Renaissance: Renaissance days. It is their 80's stuff (B sides I think, a lot of pop). Not that it would be bad on its own, but only one song had the classic band on it and the fill in players were just not the same. I actually like the last three songs, but without John Tout or Terry Sullivan they would never be the same. I think I got over it and now I can listen on its own merits, though I rarely do.
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30 second to mars is not prog..... but they claim they are.... do they? Oh my God the pretensiousness on those guys!

Next step: My chemical romance will claim they're prog...

Anyway, even these two bands are much better than Sigur Ros' "()" Tongue
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my only intention is to be tasteful, 30 seconds to mars proclaim to be a progressive band, and in my opinion make bland tasteless music.  it seems i keep breaking imaginary rules, or maybe you just dont like my name?
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by hasheten hasheten wrote:

ive never bought a progressive album i didnt like.  that said, the worst psuedo-progressive album ever is "A Beautiful Lie" by 30 Seconds to Mars, that album is littered with quasi-intellectual,  morality bloated, 'the art of war'-inspired everything is nothing/nothing is everything drivel ive ever heard in my life.  we should have a section for Prog-Wannabes on PA just to rag on them.


Somehow this doesn't seem like the most (quasi-?)intellectual post in this thread. We don't rag on prog-wannabes (it's wallabees by the way) on Prog Archives, nor on any other hardworking musicians. Once again - keep it civil, hasheten. Smile


 
ah, more problems with angelo, me thinks you dont like me much, not that i care.  the discussion i thought was the worst prog album, however it seems im meant to stand still and look pretty.  im a musician myself, and musicians make comments like that all the time in rock bands, whos not this whos not that.  ill keep in mind youre not my friend and there are much politics at work with you.  and as i recall it is wannabe not wallabe, but what do i know, im not a beaurocrat.  the civility remark is very hurtful, i have reason to discuss this with more admins, because you seem to be very malicious with your intention to me, someone trying to enrich the Archives with tasteful album reviews and mp3s, but im uncivilized as you say.
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eh, to me, it didn't feel like Don Cab, the guitars just didn't feel right


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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

/\ what if I told you I found World Class Listening Problem far more boring than either of those albums?
 
I actually found it very interesting and even gave it a 4-star rating (a short review, though)
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 19:11
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Only out the ones I've actually bought:

Systematic Chaos
Awake

Besides those two, I don't really like

All of a Sudden I miss Everybody
Avalon

But besides those four, I love all my albums. Heart


if you didn't like one, then why did you buy the other? LOL


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Only out the ones I've actually bought, I can't stand

Systematic Chaos
Awake
Scenes from a Memory

Besides those three, I don't really like

All of a Sudden I miss Everybody
Avalon

But besides those five, I love all my albums. Heart


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/\ what if I told you I found World Class Listening Problem far more boring than either of those albums?


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I have to make a just statement.... Even though Kayo Dot's "Dowsing Anemone..." is a disaster in my view and I mentioned it earlier as my least favorite album, I have to recognize that, were it not for the atrocious "_On limpid Form" and the last song, the thing would get at least 2 stars from me, as it has some redeeming features (good musicianship, some ideas)....
 
On the other hand, I've heard it again and now I know it's really the WORST ALBUM EVER: SIGUR ROS' "( )".......... I've never heard something so incredibly utterly fatally boring and un-talented..... a distaster that I didn't even grasp the first few times I heard it (I gave it one star but it deserves half one).... the one-dynamic-level-only, one-tempo-only, one-mood-only, boring album that also contains probably the worst voice ever in the way of a guy whining (probably because his dope is over or something, I don't know) it's the worst thing I've ever bought. And if this album is NOT the product of a stoned mind, oh my God, what kind of mind could device that.....
 
Sorry Kayo Dot.... you have 14 minutes of repetition but the Icelandic boys (or boy, whatever) has like 60!!
 
I like Invisible Touch and 90125 so much better than this thing.....


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Perhaps Floyd's Final Cut. Yes Union. Genesis Abacab. Uriah Heep Look at Yourself. ELP Love Beach. Jethro Tull Minstrel in the Gallery.
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 18:12
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

Can't remember if i've posted here earlier, but:
NEU! - NEU!2 (Expected some yummy krautrock, but got mostly experimental rubbish)
Mike Oldfield - Amarok (Didn't know what to expect, but the "h-h-h-h-h-h-ha-ha-ha-happy?" was just a turn-off, and the rest wasn't BAD, but not my cup of tea)
( Blind Guardian - Nightfall in Middle Earth (I really like their albums up to Somewhere far Beyond, but this was a bit too much for me. Overdone vocals, silly effect interludes... But maybe it's a grower?) )


the overdone vocals and silly interludes are what make the album GREAT Big%20smile


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Originally posted by hasheten hasheten wrote:

ive never bought a progressive album i didnt like.  that said, the worst psuedo-progressive album ever is "A Beautiful Lie" by 30 Seconds to Mars, that album is littered with quasi-intellectual,  morality bloated, 'the art of war'-inspired everything is nothing/nothing is everything drivel ive ever heard in my life.  we should have a section for Prog-Wannabes on PA just to rag on them.


Somehow this doesn't seem like the most (quasi-?)intellectual post in this thread. We don't rag on prog-wannabes (it's wallabees by the way) on Prog Archives, nor on any other hardworking musicians. Once again - keep it civil, hasheten. Smile
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ive never bought a progressive album i didnt like.  that said, the worst psuedo-progressive album ever is "A Beautiful Lie" by 30 Seconds to Mars, that album is littered with quasi-intellectual,  morality bloated, 'the art of war'-inspired everything is nothing/nothing is everything drivel ive ever heard in my life.  we should have a section for Prog-Wannabes on PA just to rag on them.
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Originally posted by blue_sheep blue_sheep wrote:

'On The Sunday of Life'  by Porcupine Tree is probably the only progressive album that I have ever bought and disliked, but even so it was not terrible.

The main problems I had with 'On The Sunday...' were Steven Wilson's voice, he sounds nothing like he does on the other albums, the programmed drums and the many short songs that consist of nothing but (programmed) drum solos, odd sounds and dull narrations.
 
Personally i love it Embarrassed
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