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raindance
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 17:27 |
kaostheory wrote:
yeah but the thing with not making the premier league in prog is you always influence bands and well king crimson really started the ball rolling for others |
I read a lot of bands autobiographies and can honestly say I've never read of King Crimson influencing anyone. Even in historical books they hardly get a mention!
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jimidom
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 17:17 |
kaostheory wrote:
i would just like to say king crimson rule i have only just heard in the court of the crimson king and wow damn they rule |
Hahaha! Wait until you hear Larks Tongues In Aspic and Red!
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kaostheory
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:44 |
yeah but the thing with not making the premier league in prog is you always influence bands and well king crimson really started the ball rolling for others
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raindance
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:41 |
King Crimson never even made the premier league.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:36 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
KC is THE Prog King. I dare say, without them, the face of Prog would not be what it is today. |
Agreed. More than Genesis, Yes or Pink Floyd. KC is THE prog band. Without them, there were no pure prog music. I mean, you cannot take them off from prog history.
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kaostheory
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 14:57 |
i would just like to say king crimson rule i have only just heard in the court of the crimson king and wow damn they rule
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 14:56 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
KC is THE Prog King. I dare say, without them, the face of Prog would not be what it is today. |
Without a doubt. For example, Bill Bruford and Peter Banks went to a King Crimson gig in 1969 (before In The Court was released), and it literally changed their lives. They canceled a bunch of gigs so they could rehearse twice as much! If it were not for KC, there would be no Yes as we know it!
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 11:59 |
Well, time to jump in. First off, I have not read every single post in this thread. My opinion is that there are merits to every era of KC. But I feel that there is not enough love shown for the 90's through the present. The 80's manifestation was great too with Beat being the only true disapointment to me. But when you consider the direction of the other legends like Yes, Rush and Genesis in particular, I think KC has stood the test of time and maintained their progressive sensibilities. I find that their music from the last 15 years is the best for exactly that reason. RF has evolved the sound and embraced technology without just rehashing their old stuff or selling out. Yeah, there is the Frakctured and LTiA pt. 4 phenomenon, but I find them to be fresh editions to the legacy of those songs.
One thing that I think has changed in response to some folks that find them difficult to listen to. Early albums incorporated many pieces that were entirely improve. Those pieces have recently been seperated from their main albums, e.g.: Thraak and ThrakAttak.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 11:59 |
KC is THE Prog King. I dare say, without them, the face of Prog would not be what it is today.
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 11:42 |
Floydian42 wrote:
Now here's a question: What do you all think is the most able to dance to Crimson song? |
Thela Hun Ginjeet
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Floydian42
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 10:59 |
Now here's a question: What do you all think is the most able to dance to Crimson song?
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fuxi
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 09:00 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
I can barely listen to his vocals on exiles, uggh, apalling |
Glad to have heard some positive noises about Wetton's vocals by now. Personally I enjoy "Exiles", at least the USA version, which is the one I always listen to.
I like Belew too, as long as he doesn't get too neurotic. "One time", for example, is brilliant!
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sircosick
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:14 |
febus wrote:
sircosick wrote:
Another underrated album from their earlier era was indeed In The Wake Of Poseidon. See my review for further thoughs. IMO it's a kind of the twin brother of ITCOTCK. Another album that I love, ITWOP. |
Twin brother??? not really! .....only half twin sister!
The second side of the LP has absolutely nothing to do with ITCOTCK; this is what gives IN THE WAKE its own personality...own strength!!!........and charm |
In my review I have a more developed idea of what I wanna mean... I think the innovation on ITWOP is the song 'Cat Food', because 'The Devil's Triangle' is different too, but you can hear practically the same instrumental work: the mellotrons, the crescendos, etc., that you also could find on ITCOTCK.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:09 |
pero wrote:
sircosick wrote:
febus wrote:
sircosick wrote:
I recently reviewed Islands and gave it the full rating. Since this thread has slightly changed the direction of the real topic, I ask you folks: isn't Islands underrated? IMO yes it is, but am I the only guy who think so? |
Read my review; i am all with you, Sirco:!!!!!
ISLANDS is great!!!!!!!! and i haven't changed my opinion since 1972! a long time! |
Islands was my introduction to King Crimson. And still thinking it's a great album. The fact that's actually rated under the fourth star is a real shame.
I'll read your review, BTW
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Finally someone with good taste. |
Many thanks ...... Although the taste is very personal and it's hart to talk about a good or bad taste; there are just different ones, IMO some more aquired than others (don't saying that mine is more aquired, btw ). And I did read your review, Febus, and your first sentence is killer: DEPRESSION MADE BEAUTY. That's a quite exact way to explain Islands
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febus
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:06 |
sircosick wrote:
Another underrated album from their earlier era was indeed In The Wake Of Poseidon. See my review for further thoughs. IMO it's a kind of the twin brother of ITCOTCK. Another album that I love, ITWOP. |
Twin brother??? not really! .....only half twin sister!
The second side of the LP has absolutely nothing to do with ITCOTCK; this is what gives IN THE WAKE its own personality...own strength!!!........and charm
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sircosick
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:02 |
Another underrated album from their earlier era was indeed In The Wake Of Poseidon. See my review for further thoughs. IMO it's a kind of the twin brother of ITCOTCK. Another album that I love, ITWOP.
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 14:02 |
One of the first prog bands I heard in my life, and now they are my favourite of all, not only on prog, but in general too.
I love all their albums, the 80 stuff is ok, Discipline is the only one that I will call one of their masterpieces of that period.
Is good to hear that Tony Levin is back again, I love the feeling he put in the songs.
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sleeper
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 13:48 |
Neither Islands nor Lizard appeal to me, I think they had massive potential but it was never fully realised, which is a shame.
However, LTIA onwards is great, and I think Wetton is a good singer, even though I prefer Belew.
Edited by sleeper - August 20 2007 at 13:49
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laplace
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 13:38 |
I think all the instrumentals on both ConstruKction and The Power to Believe are wonderful! it's the "songs" that bother me
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 13:33 |
ConstruKction has a few solid tracks; I find that the title track is one of my top-ten all time favorite Krim tracks, and Frying Pan is a quite enjoyable piece as well. I think anybody who enjoys The Power to Believe should at least have a copy of this.
The Power to Believe is indeed marvelous, though Happy with What You Have to be Happy With is an awful song.
I've never been a huge fan of Islands. The songs are just weak. There isn't a single song on that album which I would take over a song on any of their other seventies albums.
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