Your fave Rock albums IN the '80s, and still ok? |
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Sean Trane
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YMBKYLT, of course it isn't (you must be kidding, you little twerp) |
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MikeEnRegalia
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LOL, "AFAIK" is no longer good enough
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Sean Trane
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McL sounds like Zawie in Mr Gone it's even worse when he screws that white box on his guitar body |
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Psychedelic Paul
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To The Best Of My Knowledge (with a little help from Google)
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What is TTBOMK? |
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Sean Trane
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To me, DD is more of a 70's band, even if they +/- stopped in 82. TBH, I hate Metheny's Orchestrion (I know, not the same decade) as much as I hate the Synclavier (for guitars, I have no qualms about KB models). Just because it's innovative (meaning new technology) doesn't make it progressive (Gated drums and rhythm boxes were innovative, but...) ADMiola & Zappa also fell into this ugly trap/craze, but neither Frippy or Belew used synclaviers, TTBOMK*, which is more than I can say about Metheny (though I do like a couple of his very early-80's albums, but after Offramp, it's +/- over for me). Seems like Synclavier managed to get the worst out of those fantastic players. John McLaughlin sounds bad on it ("Adventures in Radioland" -- cringe!), Holdsworth & Dimeola sounds terrible (and boring), etc. They all just seem to totally lose their unique, individual touch whenever they strap on Synclavier. Was the novelty/marketing gimmick so strong back then that these fine artists couldn't notice how much damage was it doing to their music? I almost wish they'd go back and re-record those LPs, because there's probably some terrific music hidden in there that was botched by the Synclavier. The genre of Smooth jazz (it's a rather good name to describe the music encompassed) is generally viewed as the dominant form of jazz in the 80's. Even the Marsalis tribe dabbled into it, despite the scatholic-than-pope trad-jazz buff Wynton would like to admit. *: I checked, they (Bobby & Ade) both toyed around with it, as most guitarist fell into this fad, but it doesn't sound lije it in their three albums. ..
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Edited by Grumpyprogfan - September 25 2024 at 06:55 |
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David_D
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When that's the case, it's fine enough. |
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David_D
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not by now |
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Sean Trane
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Given the time frame you gave us in the top post of this page, yes, I understand. You'd probably be more accurate if it was the 90's in question. Myself, I don't remember that much what I listened to before I was 10 (at least not enough to make a list of it), but my rock record craze started circa 72/3 (+/- 10 yo) and started having cash enough to buy my albums in 74 , via newspaper delivery.
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MikeEnRegalia
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The topic is difficult to handle for most people, including myself. To remember accurately what I listened to about 40 years ago, as a child, is next to impossible. So I approximated the answer as best I could
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Sean Trane
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The thing is that most of the 70's acts that survived the turn of the decade (prog or not *) didn't even make average (let's stay polite) albums, and really sailed much under/below their former altitude, including The Stones & The Who (who were 60's bands). From 70's prog bands, only Crimson, Supertramp and Waters/Floyd and ELPowell, managed not to be sinking too low in terms of quality (OK, Tull's Knave was OK, but the rest.... ) *: except if you're into metal (Priest, Sabbath, Maiden, BÖC, Motorhead and Purple, Wishbone - to a lesser extent - , etc...), then the early 80's were still good, but as the decade unraveled...
I didn't see that one... probably escaped my radar. can you fingerpoint me to it, please? I thought that David's goal in these two threads were good, but I may have misread his OP - maybe it was not obvious enough to me (and maybe others, since David is disollusioned by the results. . .
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David_D
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I have to say that it's rather important to me that people follow my OPs. One can express criticism or different opinions, if having any, but if just not having sufficient interest in one of my topics, I prefer people to not participate.
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Sean Trane
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TBH, Fusion in the 80's either sounded to me either like Uzeb or lame near-ambient ECM stuff (didn't say I didn't like either, but that was too soft/smooth for my exuberant character). Holdsworth or McLaughlin fusions were unfortunately marred with these hateful synclavier gizmo that took the fire out of their guitar playing. I'd say that in a generalization, even Fusion & Jazz sucked a bit during the 80's, as opposed to the brilliant and often fiery 70's. The 80's were cool for some things to be a late-teen/young-adult (didn't complain about my Uni days), but not music. It's around the mid-80's that I started wishing I'd been born a decade earlier, to haver profited more of music (via radio exposure of would-be buddies) . I definitely preferred talking & partying with hippies than yuppies (who were more into coke) and the climate was different too. I'd originally planned my trip from Istanbul to Kabul/Katmandu for 81 (between HS and Uni), but Iran & Afghanistan closed up in 79. Soooo, my buddy and I decided for an Andes raid from Caracas to Tierra Del Fuego instead. Thankfully we did it then, because a couple years later, the communist guerillas started making the roads more dangerous/riskier in the South American continent. Pinochet's Chile wasn't an issue, since we weren't making politics. Don't get me wrong, though: I still played tons of 70's music, but usually only with me & my then-GFs present. And sometimes, I surprised some of my trendy buddies with "uncool music" .
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Logan
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^ Whether we are talking the same thing or not: Nothing against the topics, I wouldn't have posted as much as I have if I did not find the threads or comments in it interesting to consider. Sometimes I have got disappointed about some responses in my topics, or that people don't seem to "get" it or play along as I expected, but then I can still be grateful with the effort of people who take the time to post. Not saying you should, I was really sharing a perspective for myself that seemed pertinent to me. I was even inspired enough by this topic to make one. I thought it was a very good topic and I support it. I also find lively topics (and good discussions) tend to take twists and turns, and can take on a life of their own, as this one has to whatever extent.
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David_D
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That's very fine.
When talking about myself and this thread, it's a long story but I think that all the posts here and in "my" former thread, Your top 15 progressive music albums IN the '70s?, speak for themselves. |
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richardh
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Ok this is what I liked IN the 80's and still enjoy (rock music only so no Kate Bush!)
Rush - Moving Pictures The Police - Ghost In The Machine IQ - The Wake Marillion - Seasons End Simple Minds - Sparkle In The Rain Iron Maiden - Seventh son of seventh son Al Stewart - The Last Days Of The Century Eloy - Time To Turn Siousxie and The Banshees - Kaleidoscope Propaganda - A Secret Wish (although my staple listening in the 80's was New Age, Synth, Oldfield etc as well as catching up with seventies prog) |
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In the very early 80's i was listening to a very eclectic mix, from 60's/70's prog and US west coast through lots of 'free festival' Jam and space rock to NWOBPR (Neo prog) as well as stuff like Killing Joke, Magazine, Japan, XTC, Cocteau twins and punky stuff like Crass, Poison girls, the Slits and quite a bit of dub reggae. By the end of the 80's i was married then divorced so not listening to that much music for a while...
Not in any order: Rush- all those 80's lps Living colour- Vivid.. that lp ROCKED and still does Eloy- Performance / metromania Ozric Tentacles- Pungent Effulgent Here & Now- Fantasy shift & Theatre Talking Heads- remain in light and speaking in tongues loads of others i cant just call to memory at this moment
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Logan
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I prefer to look at the individual album labels. I would not say that Vangelis or Kitaro are primarily artists making rock music, far from it, but both have delved into those avenues (and incorporated rock elements).
the beauty of RYM to me is that it tags individual albums. Vangelis' Earth from 1973 is tagged at RYM as primary labels as Psychedelic Folk, Progressive Rock, Progressive Folk Sounds like rock to me (and yeah, I do think Vangelis should be in a proper Prog category. And so good). Vangelis' Heaven and Hell (1975) is tagged Progressive Electronic, Symphonic Prog (and Neoclassical New Age, Zeuhl as secondary labels) Vangelis' The Dragon (the one I specifically mentioned) is labelled Progressive Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Acid Rock (and Jam Band, Jazz-Rock as secpondary labels). More importantly, it clearly sounds like rock. * To be fair, Vangelis was not pleased with The Dragon being released. Awesome album. Vangelis was more rock in the 70s, but then David said this is open to discussing pre-80s music as long as we liked it in the 80s. For rock Kitaro, I would look to his involvement with Far East Family Band primarily (rather than under his own name, but rock comes into later music). Anyway, to me I care more about whether I enjoy the music than how it's labelled, but labels are good for discovering music. I'm fine with David using a loose rock interpretation for this topic. Rock or not, and I would not call it rock, I love early Kitaro albums. Oasis is what turned me into him. And his work with Far East Family band is excellent for my tastes. Edited by Logan - September 24 2024 at 14:34 |
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