PA Album of the Year Discussion thread

AOTY always been a bit of an oddity anwyay considering we are already a rating and review site and due weighting is given to collabs reviews as well as proper reviews. You could genuinely ask ''what is the point?'

Agree.

I'd support the "democratic" version, i.e., no weighting, everyone with top 20. Otherwise, how would you want to determine who has heard how many albums? Should people just declare that? Or are you then asking us to list everything we listened to? That makes little sense to me. Of course one can weight by "status", but then we need to have a discussion how exactly, and I can imagine more enjoyable things than that. I also think it may be potentially off-putting to have lengthy discussions about the rules in the thread while voting is already going on. In all likelihood there are people who are happy to submit a list, but much less happy to track the thread for potentially relevant changes of the rules after they have submitted. For example I think it would be quite bad if at some point things were changed in such a way that listing more than 20 releases gives a higher weight or more points overall if up to some point people had already submitted lists believing that in terms of the evaluation there is no point in listing more than 20 (even though of course some people can do it for fun's sake).

Forget it, I'm not going to add up the results myself of only collabs. I'm not here for the benefit of PA but of my own  

Edited by earlyprog - January 08 2024 at 16:20

^^Excellent! I think PA should list the 3 AOTY lists you suggest, Michael. At least this year (2023), and then we evaluate what to do for the AOTY 2024 

Edited by earlyprog - January 08 2024 at 15:49

^ I can make various lists with different weightings, that's no problem. I can also add separate lists for collabs and regular forum members. The question is which list should be THE official PA list. I think it should be the unweighted, "democratic" one, but then again I'm just a retired collab with my own website. I will do whatever you (the PA community) decide.

^ When there are some collabs who are more ignorant than regular members who have a vote, it does not have much value to me by limiting it. And I don't think this is attracting as wide a population as I had hoped, anyway. The real question to me would be, does the list have more intrinsic/ inherent value by limiting it to collabs? I would not think so. And would the PA members find this exercise better if most of them could not take part? I don't think so. A collab only one may have the look of a bunch of collabs clapping themselves on the back.

If you like, you could collect the results for the collabs only from these lists and publish those.

Anyway, this was proposed in the collab zone before and various collabs supported it and I heard no one complain then.

Edited by Logan - January 08 2024 at 15:25

A sense of entitlement is very problematic to me, and I dislike elitist attitudes. Of course you are entitled to your feelings. I would wonder then if a collab who has listened to 300 albums should have much more weighting than one who has listened to 30, who in turn should be given much more weighting than one who has listened to ten. Ultimately, your top album is probably going to be one of the most listened to albums anyway, and is likely to "win". I prefer many others, but yours is a popular top pick with the Zopp.

I much prefer many albums, and I have heard much less than you. Really there is no accounting for taste. I like this being a more communal effort than just including collabs. There have been far fewer collabs taking part, and I don't think it leads to better results by limiting it in that way, Nor would I think someone like me should be acknowledged more than, well, there are quite a few non-collabs who listen to lot of new music, and while I have listened to quite a few now (not many by your standards perhaps), I was playing catch-up to quite some extent over the past months.

The more who participate, the more representative. I see it as a good thing. And just because one person listens to 20 and another 200 does not mean that the person who listened to 200 has a better choice nor do I think that that person's choices would automatically deserve more recognition.

The weighing according to status just does not not make sense to me from a quality or validity standpoint as there are collabs who will have listened to very little from this year, and some non-collabs who will know far more. I understand that some might like that privilege and recogition as an acknowledgement of their efforts and/or position, but that's not that way I perceive things, nor does it fit my ideals.

Edited by Logan - January 08 2024 at 15:15

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MikeEnRegalia wrote: suitkees wrote: Hmm, I notice that my #1, La théorie des cordes, has gone AWOL from the PA charts...   ^ Yes, that happened today - there were three versions of that release in the database, I deleted two of them. Could you please add it to your list and submit it again? I'll try to avoid that problem in the future.