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ROBERT BERRY     A Californian singer and guitarist whose brief stint with supergroup GTR turned out to be fruitful when Berry met with Keith Emerson and Carl Palmer and they formed the imaginatively-named supergroup "3" together, when Emerson, Berry & Palmer would've been the more logical (and less confusing) choice of band-name. Unfortunately, the "supergroup" turned out to be not so super when barely anyone was "Talkin' 'Bout" their one and only album "To the Power of Three" in the year of its release in 1988, when the album virtually sank without trace - until many years later when "3" reappeared on ProgArchives and YouTube with a new resurgence of interest - although not always positive, it has to be said. Smile

 3 stars 1988: 3 (Emerson, Berry & Palmer) - To the Power of Three - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvwwylCrJEuChC68BBpb9pt

 3 stars 1985: Robert Berry - Back to Back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXlICzvcKo
 4 stars 1992: Robert Berry - Pilgrimage to a Point - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3yEsWoYBIk
 3 stars 1994: Robert Berry - In These Eyes
 3 stars 1995: Robert Berry - Takin' It Back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV96p_FMXmk
 3 stars 1999: Robert Berry - A Soundtrack for the Wheel of Time - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kruuxgJat1Nmzuu0l5YRMYEA95XFDCEnU
 4 stars 2002: Robert Berry's December People - Sounds Like Christmas - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8BAiQ1UrbA
 3 stars 2008: Robert Berry - The Dividing Line





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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion). Thumbs Up

Better late than never, right? I like the first three best, but they're all good. Cozy was an exceptional talent who left us far too soon.
Yes, it was well-worth the wait too, especially for Cozy's OTT debut album. The title of Cozy Powell's third album - Octopuss - reminded me of Procol Harum's drummer B.J. Wilson, who was once described as being like an octopus in a bathtub, mainly because he usually sat on a very low drum stool with  arms flailing about all over the place, but always keeping perfect time. Smile

Coming up next..... the forgotten member of the various ELP line-ups: Robert Berry. 


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I guess its doesn't do any harm to repeat the much told anecdote that Cozy turned up to his first audition for ELP without his drumsticks, but still got the job anyway. I prefer listening to the Sprocket Sessions for my ELPowell fix rather than the studio album which felt way over the top production even for ELP. Shame they didn't do another album but as soon as Palmer completed his contractual obligations with Asia then it was back to the original line up.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion). Thumbs Up

Better late than never, right? I like the first three best, but they're all good. Cozy was an exceptional talent who left us far too soon.
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^ Admittedly, I'd never listened to any of Cozy Powell's albums up until today and I also discovered he's listed on Prog Archives too (under Jazz Rock/Fusion). Thumbs Up
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^I love those solo Cozy albums, especially Over the Top.




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COZY POWELL    A legendary drummer who's been in more bands than you can shake a drumstick at. On the rainy evening of 5 April 1998, Cozy Powell danced with the devil one too many times when, having had a few drinks and not wearing a seat-belt, he drove his Saab 9000 at over 100mph on the M4 motorway with a defective tyre in appalling weather at night-time, whilst chatting with his girlfriend on a mobile phone. Somewhat inevitably, one of the defective tyres blew out and Cozy's last words (reported by his girlfriend) were "Oh s**t!" followed by a loud bang. Ouch Broken Heart

 4 stars 1986: Emerson, Lake & Powell - Emerson, Lake & Powell - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoIDt_C5y1LtKb2sKbN9e7RqzfFtnb3k0

 4 stars 1979: Cozy Powell - Over the Top - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOZIdAeS-ZU
 3 stars 1981: Cozy Powell - Tilt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7w-RksTYXo
 4 stars 1992: Cozy Powell - The Drums Are Back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQuwGeCkT4
 4 stars 1998: Cozy Powell - Especially for You - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRqf53VfwCs
 4 stars 2008: Cozy Powell - Alive in Studio III: The Phenomena Years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpP84nEcIy8





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Are you ready to Dance with the Devil? I've heard he has all the best tunes, and this amazing tribute to Cozy Powell is no exception.

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My Top 10 ELP Songs (in alphabetical order)

All I Want is You
Burning Bridges
Fanfare for the Common Man
The Great Gates of Kiev
I Believe in Father Christmas
Jerusalem
Lucky Man
Piano Concerto No. 1
Romeo and Juliet
Take a Pebble
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Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

^ When I first saw the Sex Pistols on Top of the Pops Mr Rotten reminded me of the comedian Norman Wisdom. "Anarchy Mr Grimsdale!"

You just reminded me of Robbie Williams, who thinks he's the new Frank Sinatra, but in reality, he's more like the old Norman Wisdom. Tongue

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^ When I first saw the Sex Pistols on Top of the Pops Mr Rotten reminded me of the comedian Norman Wisdom. "Anarchy Mr Grimsdale!"
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"

"He's up the pub"
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^ Well said! ELP and Prog have outlasted Punk by at least fifty years and counting and Johnny Rotten is now the butt of jokes, having been reduced to advertising Country Life butter to spread the cost of living. Tongue

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Some more love for Works Volume 1 as it was the album that spiked my interest in ELP and prog rock in general. I really liked the eclecticism with a piano concerto, guitar balladry and jazz rock, then the final side with the Fanfare and Pirates epics.

The timing of the album couldn't have been much worse coming in the Summer of Punk. A double album called "Works Volume 1" featuring a piano concerto gave plenty of ammo for the prevailing narrative about "pretentious dinosaurs". It was just asking for a kicking from the Punk-fixated music press and that's what it got, even though the quality of the music is really good IMHO and it deserves better than the three-star rating it has on Progarchives.

And yeah they looked much cooler than Johnny Rotten or Joe Strummer in the Fanfare promo! Tongue
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they looked so cool in that video and such a contrast to the trendy spikey hair and angry young men of the time Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Okay, I had no idea it was filmed at a baseball stadium in Montreal. I'll hand in my prog card at the door on my way out. Embarrassed
From Wikipedia...August 1977 show at the Olympic Stadium in Montreal that was attended by an estimated 78,000 people, the highest attended Emerson, Lake & Palmer concert as a solo act.

*This is also a record for attendance at the Big O that stands to this day.


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

ELP Top 10 without Emerson, Lake & Powell? Say it ain't so! Wacko

Emerson, Lake & Powell is #4 in my ELP Top 10. Thumbs Up

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^ Okay, I had no idea it was filmed at a baseball stadium in Montreal. I'll hand in my prog card at the door on my way out. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Happy to see some love for Works Vol One. I mentioned it on the double album thread, think its been unfairly maligned over the years, in some respects it's their Topographic Oceans, perhaps over-reaching but still massively ambitious and honestly not that bad.

Yes, it's an underrated album that deserves a Fanfare, albeit in an empty football stadiumSmile

Just to be clear, the stadium, The Big O in Montreal, is a baseball stadium. Quebec doesn't have a football team.

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I stand corrected, I thought the Alouettes had folded. It's been that long since I even watched the CFL. All I remembered was the Expos, but it was them that folded in 2004. Please accept my apology.



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Hi,

I just watched this again ... and I still have a tremendous amount of respect for their music and work. And, as Keith stated, the idiot that made the comment about him not being a composer, is just a rock groupie that has no idea what music is for him other than toilet paper. Keith did not deserve that criticism, but like all of us, he was also sensitive to it all, because even though ELP had a lot of "show" in the end, combined with the music it was an incredible experience that you will never see today with bands faking it out in badly designed lights and smoke bombs, and a casual explosion here and there to make it look like a wow. These light shows are meaningless and have no sense of anything ... except, supposedly, trying to excite you into thinking that what they are doing is valuable and important ... and in the GREAT BANDS? A line by itself is better and sometimes more important than the lights or the show itself!

While I could say that I miss the "quality" of the music in the time it was done, in the last 30 years I have not seen anything half as good or as strong ... other than maybe MAGMA, but perhaps they belong into another sphere of experience, which is a lot more than just the music itself.

I have said hundreds of times, you only have to hear Rachel Flowers do TARKUS in its entirety on the piano, to realize what a massive composition it is, but sadly, as much as DD appreciates it, he won't say that Keith put together a massive piano concerto ... which he should have to help bridge the gap between rock music and classical music ... those differences need to die.

ELP combined everything, and made it work. Maybe a synthesizer helped folks tune in to something new ... but in the end, it was the quality of the music that woke us up to it ... not an idiot saying Keith had no talent to be a composer.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Happy to see some love for Works Vol One. I mentioned it on the double album thread, think its been unfairly maligned over the years, in some respects it's their Topographic Oceans, perhaps over-reaching but still massively ambitious and honestly not that bad.

Yes, it's an underrated album that deserves a Fanfare, albeit in an empty football stadium. Smile

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