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^ It's a great read. The book is so good, I read it twice and I'm glad you reminded me about this blog as I still have a few gaps to fill in for the Top 120 list at the top of Page 1.....

<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">4 stars 1991: Clepsydra - Hologram - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lKj3L0ASeOejqwB2lZqkdmdaEx3cNOS_c
<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">5 stars 1994: Clepsydra - More Grains of Sand - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_loqM2TiK6OTK5P03qPqmmPQfiSyqq6Io8<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">5 stars 1997: Clepsydra - Fears - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kP9fQjkxi5Ug-tc_rzl0PxWoa9WNn2mdI<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">5 stars 2001: Clepsydra - Alone - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m2Zb4PRO0L8Cw3KaF_doUYrPsBxBX5ySg<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">5 stars 2019: Clepsydra - The Gap - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqKXPz16tg

<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">4 stars 1990: Collage - Basnie - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnJUmEBUCxF8WC2h1y7oRU8VMY8wvjlmT
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5 stars 1993: Collage - Nine Songs of John Lennon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiUgzjf4z-0
5 stars 1994: Collage - Moonshine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4huhmXEPujs
5 stars 1995: Collage - Changes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mTNZvzhQJ0
5 stars 2005: Collage - Living in the Moonlight (DVD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taX_psbmO5w







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^ It's a great read. The book is so good, I read it twice and I'm glad you reminded me about this blog as I still have a few gaps to fill in for the Top 120 list at the top of Page 1.....

5 stars 2019: Clepsydra - The Gap - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqKXPz16tg

5 stars 1993: Collage - Nine Songs of John Lennon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiUgzjf4z-0
5 stars 1994: Collage - Moonshine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4huhmXEPujs
5 stars 1995: Collage - Changes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mTNZvzhQJ0
5 stars 2005: Collage - Living in the Moonlight (DVD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taX_psbmO5w


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Citizens of Hope & Glory: an excellent history of Progressive Rock, where Echolyn, The Flower Kings & Spock's Beard all featured heavily in the chapter on Neo Prog. Smile





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Edison's Children
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This Winter Machine
Ghost Of The Machine
The Mighty Ra
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed

Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi

I also own 2, both by IQ.

I beat you with one Marillion (that I don't particularly like) and two IQ (that I do like a lot). Tongue
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^ possibly part of the issue is that Road Of Bones was released both as a single disc version and also with the bonus disc. I always preferred the bonus disc over the 'official' release personally so without looking at millions of reviews I'm not sure what the reviewers are basing their ratings on.
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I own 40 of these albums, going back to the OP. IQ are my favourite band and I’m a bit surprised to see some of their albums so far down, including Road Of Bones🤔

It Bites, Marillion, Pendragon, Frost* are all great. I need to listen to more Jadis and Arena…..
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^ Exactly; neo-prog was a particular movement exemplified by a small number of bands; most of whom did not have record deals.  The scene was largely DIY and the music obtained on cassette tapes bought at gigs or mail order - I still have several: Solstice, Pendragon etc.  The release of the 'Fire in Harmony' sampler was snapped up!  I find this discussion of bands such as Glass Hammer and Flower Kings far removed from those sweaty nights at the Marquee Club.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing Milliontown, Seven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.


I disagree! The sound palettes, structural forms, and melodic sensibilities of all three of these band's works--even song-by-song--have been used before--are familiar to the seasoned listener (i.e. anyone familiar with the progressive rock, rock, and classic rock discographies of the 1970s)--with Roine Stolt being the most blatant and egregious "offender". This, to my mind, lends to their inclusion within the realms of Neo Prog: "new prog using the old". Of the three and a half, Neal Morse seems the one who is able to create the most fresh and "new" symphonic structures albeit still using "classic" forms and sound palettes. 

No one can blame an artist for wanting to revive and/or perpetuate a hallowed/revered sound, form, or style from the past. This practice, however, does breed the consequence of familiarity and, then, comparison. It's difficult to compare the discographies of Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Present, Humble Grumble, Major Parkinson, Yugen, Allan Holdsworth, Bill Bruford's Earthworks, and Factor Burzaco to previous songs/albums cuz there are so few taking rock music beyond the comfortable forms that have dominated rock/prog rock before, thus, you will rarely hear any "neo" suffix attached to a categorical definition of these bands. Today's symphonic artists are, however, mostly using the forms, sounds, and major/minor/pentatonic scales that were used by artists in the 1960s and 1970s, thus present certain degrees of "neo" or "revivalism," n'est-ce pas?
 

that's not my understanding of Neo Prog at all. It started with Marillion, IQ , Twelfth Night, Pallas and the like. It was more about bringing prog down to earth and away from, dare I say, 'Airy Fairy Nonsense' and lyrics that make no sense. Neo was a valiant attempt to ground prog but while retaining the best aspects of the musicianship. Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings very much embrace the classic era of symph prog and are not trying to modfiy it this is true but anyone that thinks that music evolves only by using different instruments is missing the point. You literally can create new music the way GH and TFK do otherwise pretty much no classical music has ever evolved which I doubt is true. This is my take on it. People generally dislike Neo Prog because they simply don't understand it which is sad really.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing Milliontown, Seven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.


I disagree! The sound palettes, structural forms, and melodic sensibilities of all three of these band's works--even song-by-song--have been used before--are familiar to the seasoned listener (i.e. anyone familiar with the progressive rock, rock, and classic rock discographies of the 1970s)--with Roine Stolt being the most blatant and egregious "offender". This, to my mind, lends to their inclusion within the realms of Neo Prog: "new prog using the old". Of the three and a half, Neal Morse seems the one who is able to create the most fresh and "new" symphonic structures albeit still using "classic" forms and sound palettes. 

No one can blame an artist for wanting to revive and/or perpetuate a hallowed/revered sound, form, or style from the past. This practice, however, does breed the consequence of familiarity and, then, comparison. It's difficult to compare the discographies of Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Present, Humble Grumble, Major Parkinson, Yugen, Allan Holdsworth, Bill Bruford's Earthworks, and Factor Burzaco to previous songs/albums cuz there are so few taking rock music beyond the comfortable forms that have dominated rock/prog rock before, thus, you will rarely hear any "neo" suffix attached to a categorical definition of these bands. Today's symphonic artists are, however, mostly using the forms, sounds, and major/minor/pentatonic scales that were used by artists in the 1960s and 1970s, thus present certain degrees of "neo" or "revivalism," n'est-ce pas?
 
You may be interested to know that The Flower Kings are listed as both Symphonic Prog and Neo Prog on Google - which I agree with - so there's plenty of Flower Power to go around for everyone, no matter whether your tastes veer more towards either Symphonic Prog or Neo Prog. At the end of the day (that's a cliche Wink), it doesn't really matter to me what The Flower Kings are categorised as on PA so long as they continue to make great music. Smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing Milliontown, Seven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.


I disagree! The sound palettes, structural forms, and melodic sensibilities of all three of these band's works--even song-by-song--have been used before--are familiar to the seasoned listener (i.e. anyone familiar with the progressive rock, rock, and classic rock discographies of the 1970s)--with Roine Stolt being the most blatant and egregious "offender". This, to my mind, lends to their inclusion within the realms of Neo Prog: "new prog using the old". Of the three and a half, Neal Morse seems the one who is able to create the most fresh and "new" symphonic structures albeit still using "classic" forms and sound palettes. 

No one can blame an artist for wanting to revive and/or perpetuate a hallowed/revered sound, form, or style from the past. This practice, however, does breed the consequence of familiarity and, then, comparison. It's difficult to compare the discographies of Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Present, Humble Grumble, Major Parkinson, Yugen, Allan Holdsworth, Bill Bruford's Earthworks, and Factor Burzaco to previous songs/albums cuz there are so few taking rock music beyond the comfortable forms that have dominated rock/prog rock before, thus, you will rarely hear any "neo" suffix attached to a categorical definition of these bands. Today's symphonic artists are, however, mostly using the forms, sounds, and major/minor/pentatonic scales that were used by artists in the 1960s and 1970s, thus present certain degrees of "neo" or "revivalism," n'est-ce pas?
 
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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi



I own 52 of these albums. Surprised there’s no Mostly Autumn on this list.

I'd like to have seen Mostly Autumn on the list too, but I've never seen them classed as Neo Prog, no matter how hard I've looked. Smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing Milliontown, Seven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 





Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.

As for the list, its okay I suppose. All Marillion 80's albums at the top albeit in a slightly strange order. 





The Neal Morse era Spock’s Beard albums are solid symphonic prog to my ears but I do agree with the running order of the Marillion albums.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Interesting to see how few albums from the 2010s or 2020s made the list. Wonder what number of ratings/reviews/citings an album has to receive in order to qualify for a list.

The fact that Sylvan's Home and One to Zero made the list but not Posthumous Silence or Force of Gravity boggles my mind more than a little.

Love seeing Milliontown, Seven, and Moonshine, up there in the top 20.

Weird that I still can't hear/see the Neo Prog in any of Arena's stuff.

And no Glass Hammer, Shamall, The Watch, The Flower Kings, Silhouette, Edison's Children, Darwin's Radio, Believe, Willowglass, Cirrus Bay, Unitopia, Nine Stones Close, or Spock's Beard!

And not enough Mystery! 

Glass Hammer and The Flower Kings are solidly symphonic prog while Spock's Beard is not really neo either to my ears but not entirely sure what they come under.

As for the list, its okay I suppose. All Marillion 80's albums at the top albeit in a slightly strange order. 


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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Should I be embarrassed that I own 70 of those albums? Embarrassed


Not as embarrassed as I am - I only own two albums on the list. Embarrassed

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Marillion - Fugazi






I own 52 of these albums. Surprised there’s no Mostly Autumn on this list.
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I'd like to mention Twin Age out of Sweden, they have two albums I really appreciate "Lialim High" and "Month Of The Year". In the liner notes of the first one I mentioned they thank Jan Erik the Anekdoten bass player along with Ken Golden, Greg Walker and Steve F from Wayside. Not sure why I mentioned that but...
 
Thanks for the recommendation. Thumbs Up I'm not a fan of turnips and swedes, but I do love my Swedish prog and these are my current Top 10 favourites from the land of the midnight sun:-
 
Anglagard
Dice
Roine Stolt and the Flower Kings
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Grand Stand
Indisciplined Lucy
Isidurs Bane
Par Lindh Project
Samla Mammas Manna
Simon Says
 
Unfortunately, Anekdoten and Opeth are not to my tastes, just like turnips and swedes. Smile


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I'd like to mention Twin Age out of Sweden, they have two albums I really appreciate "Lialim High" and "Month Of The Year". In the liner notes of the first one I mentioned they thank Jan Erik the Anekdoten bass player along with Ken Golden, Greg Walker and Steve F from Wayside. Not sure why I mentioned that but...
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Don't take it personally. I hardly ever reply to P.M.'s - as David will tell you. Wink

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4 stars 2019: Arena - Re-Visited: Live - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XisBbOx-2H4&t=1020s


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