Your Top 10 Favourite Prog Albums of 1997

Yes, Logan, I've misunderstood partly the Crossover Prog definition. What I quoted was much on basis of other part of the definition, namely: "the fusing of rock with the structures and discipline of more traditional musics".

Edited by David_D - November 23 2021 at 05:50

David_D wrote: Cristi wrote: David_D wrote: Radiohead - OK Computer ,   a Prog album??, I'd like to see that Prog definition which include it. http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3 This Crossover Prog definition states:"... "influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk" Is that present in OK Computer?

You seem to have understood that out of context, and I wouldn't say that is the most relevant part of the article at all. I do think one should be very careful when selectively quoting. A key word you left out is "or". As it says there, "... whether it be the lack of emphasis on extended compositions, or an influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk." Another key phrase is in "addition to". Buy I would say that Radiohead has been influenced by classical, jazz, and folk music.

The site's Crossover prog definition also says:

"The defining characteristics of Crossover Prog are a pop music influence that is largely vacant in typical prog rock. Songs tend toward shorter, more concise presentations though still reach beyond the typical verse, bridge, chorus pattern. The harmonic, melodic, and rhythmic structures may be more easily digested in Crossover while not losing the musical integrity that a prog listener expects. Whereas Prog Related bands are generally commercial groups with certain prog elements or players that were involved in prog acts, Crossover Prog artists are predominantly progressive with elements of popular music.

The most representative examples for this genre include The MOODY BLUES, SUPERTRAMP, DREDG, CINEMA SHOW, RADIOHEAD."

So Radiohead is directly cited as an example. You don't have to agree with it being Prog or progressive rock with a small p, or even with it being under the progressive rock umbrella. It has been a forum expectation that music is treated as Prog when it is included in a Prog category. By the way, you mention it being Art Rock, Prog Archives used to have an Art Rock category. The Crossover Prog and Eclectic Prog categories were created later and split largely from Art Rock. A lot of music in PA I consider to be on the Art Rock side, and Art Rock and Progressive Rock surely overlap for me. Radiohead can also be called Alternative Rock.

Radiohead has been considered to be part of the Nu-Prog /New Prog /Alt. Prog / Alternative Prog family. See this: http://dictionary.sensagent.com/New%20prog/en-en/

To me Radiohead falls under the progressive rock umbrella which includes much experimental music and unconventional rock and rock-based music. A short-hand version of Prog I have used is Rock or rock-based music that does not follow certain standard rock conventions.

I have no issue with you not finding Radiohead Prog, but I do find it strange coming in here seeming surprised that others would mention it. Note the presence of Bjork, Stereolab and others. Heck I mentioned Portishead. Some of us are being more liberal in your lists than others. I have a wide prog related umbrella (and am considering more than what I consider prog proper and more than is included in PA, such as the Prog and Prog Related categories). What are your top ten from the year?

David_D wrote: Cristi wrote: David_D wrote: <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Radiohead - OK Computer ,   a Prog album??, I'd like to see that Prog definition which include it.</span> http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3 This Crossover Prog definition states: "...<span style="font-family: " sans", Arial, sans-serif;">influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk</span>" Is that present in OK Computer?

They've been quoted as it being influenced by Miles Davis, Ennio Morricone and CAN so yes. It's been widely described as a prog album just not in the style of the classic 70s bands.

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - November 22 2021 at 09:41

Cristi wrote: David_D wrote: Radiohead - OK Computer ,   a Prog album??, I'd like to see that Prog definition which include it. http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3

Edited by David_D - November 22 2021 at 07:55

Radiohead - OK Computer ,   a Prog album??, I'd like to see that Prog definition which include it.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one who remembers Mansun or whether I'm the only one who rates them? Admittedly their next album Six was their best and I hope to see that on a few lists and not just mine when we get to 1999!

Robert Wyatt - Shleep

Edited by Lewian - November 20 2021 at 17:41

Radiohead - OK Computer

Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - November 20 2021 at 08:09

A fabulous year for music and the most interesting, exciting, varied and enjoyable decade for my life. Even in the 90s I used to think that I wished that the decade (or certain years especially) could last forever for me.

This list of ten is arranged alphabetically by artist. I did include two not in PA (Stereolab and Portishead) -- I don't think those out of place in this list considering music by Björk and Radiohead.

Art Zoyd - Häxan
Björk - Homogenic
Godspeed You Black Emperor! - F♯A♯∞
Ground Zero - Plays Standards
Höyry-Kone - Huono Parturi
Portishead - Portishead*
Radiohead - OK Computer
Stereolab - Dots and Loops*
Tipographica - Floating Opera
Wyatt, Robert - Shleep

1. Mike Keneally & Beer for Dolphins - Sluggo!