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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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This is a PR stunt whether intentional or not at this point, lmao.
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Online Points: 3079 |
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Imagine if this story instead involved Roger Waters. Game over.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15151 |
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Personally I'm fine with the now well evidenced idea that Downes may really and honestly have thought it was his own. Pity of course that there's no crime story and villain there, but very nice to have an explanation what happened that does Francis Monkman justice.
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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What a silly story this has become. And what a fiasco for Yes, recently claiming that their next album would be all new material, and then teasing it with a track written in 1977 which appears to be a cover! Monkman must be LHAO. I hope for Yes that they haven't printed all the booklets and other liner notes yet...
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18948 |
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Well, I hope Downes and Monkman are able to work out a royalties agreement.
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6820 |
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Interesting. Just a mistake with Downes thinking it was an old composition of his. I wonder whether Monkman will be added for writing credit.
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Artik ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 22 2020 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 446 |
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To anyone interrsted it's cleared. Mr Monkman wrote it.
![]() In His words: "Geoff has supplied an mp3 of the cassette (with a cue sheet from his then-company HMM) and it's clearly a copy of our recording of "Dawn of an Era". Aaron Harry, then at Bruton, tells me that they sent round a few copies of tracks (presumably as-yet untitled) after the recordings were made (in Summer, 1977 at Lansdowne Studios). On the cue sheet it's simply entitled 'library track', while all Geoff's pieces and ideas that precede it have a 'GDxx' tag (xx being a two digit number). So there really doesn't seem to be any doubt about it - a simple mistake so no hard feelings (hope Yes fans feel the same!)." "I do actually remember writing it ![]() quotations from page 20 and 22 here: https://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/27511-New-YES-album-quot-The-Quest-quot-out-1-Oct/page20
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Interesting. I recall Bill Bruford saying in multiple interviews that the intro to "Yours Is No Disgrace" was directly inspired by the theme from Bonanza, but I personally never thought it sounded similar to that, unlike this theme. Now I'm wondering if he just remembered the wrong Western TV show somehow.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
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This source speaks quite a bit about the Western TV show influence on their music including "Yours is No Disgrace," mentioning Howe, Anderson and Bruford. Steve refers to the Western TV show theme influence about 1:00 in... Edited by cstack3 - July 26 2021 at 23:13 |
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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this is all a pitiful joke at this point.
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6820 |
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The old TV show UFO from 1970 had a different theme song. Episode were compiled and repackaged for a movie called Invasion: UFO in 1980. Instead of using the original theme, it used the Monkman track. No lifting was done from the TV show. Adding to this is that Downes claims he wrote and put the original music on a showreel for library music in 1977. Monkman's album was released in 1978 on a label specializing in library music.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18948 |
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I didn't know the song was inspired by an old tv show. What I've been hearing elsewhere is that the song is "lifted" or "inspired" from an old tune by Francis Monkman. So maybe he stole it from the old British tv show first.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12813 |
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I also found Davison's singing much better on this one. As you say, perhaps he's finally doing his own stuff instead of trying to imitate Anderson... there was sort of the same thing with Benoit, live he did seem to be strugling, but once he did the studio album without trying to reach some previously achieved notes, his singing really sounded so much more beautiful. Only, why didn't Davison achieve it on Heaven and Earth? |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7412 |
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Happy to help! I recorded this clip at the same show, Jon was brilliant! |
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Thank you for verifying. Good to know I am staving off dementia, so far.
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Prog Zone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 16 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 129 |
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It's definitely an improvement over Heaven and Earth, but that doesn't say too much.
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miamiscot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3625 |
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It's a decent track. I like it. That's enough for me!!!
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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after many listens I know it won't hold my interest for long---it also sounds like they ripped off the Game of Thrones theme
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Cinema ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 25 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 493 |
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Wow, it really is IDENTICAL to the Invasion: UFO theme.
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Prog Zone ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 16 2021 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 129 |
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Due to all the controversy surrounding Yes's "plagiarism" of Francis Monkman's The Dawn Of An Era, I thought it would be a good idea to suggest him as a new artist on the archives. Not exactly sure on his genre, but at this point I think he best fits in the Electronic Prog category. Fingers crossed!
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