Yes Vs Genesis

NouSomesduSolei wrote: ivan_2068 wrote:   Sorry to say this, but it's the silliest comment I ever read, Musicianship is not about making solos, real virtuosos know what and when to play the exact note, they are willing to sacrifice their own individuality for the greatness of the band. Iván So, what your saying is that jon anderson's acoustic guitar playing makes him a virtuoso becuase he plays the right notes at the right time??? So pretty much what your saying is there is no difference between jon dever and jimmy hendrix?, Sorry your theory is not true and might be one of the silliest comments ive ever read. I wish i could hold myself back from reading these posts becuase im so passionate about Prog music in general and there is never going to be a winner to this battle , nor should there be, it just comes down to the facts......

My point is that you don't need a solo to know a musician is just a virtuoso, just look at Steve Hackett's hands when he plays the notes Jon Anderson only knows a couple of chords to make company to his singing, that's the diference, Jon doesn't play guitar or have formal trainning, just follows the tune.

Symphony Orchestras are full of virtuoso musicians with complete and formal Classical training in Conservatories that never play a solo, but this doesn't make them less virtuoso.

I would love to know which is your criteria to valuate a musician, maybe something like: no solos is bad, one solo is mediocre, two solos is average, three solos is a virtuoso and four solos is a genius?

Yes is still making great music, preforming unbelieveable shows and genesis is nowhere to be found.

The Beatles are nowhere to be found since the early 70's, but Duran Duran and ASIA are still doing music, so what?

By the way, you can find Steve Hackett, Peter Gariel and Tony Banks making great solo albums, in the case of Tony a Classical album like Seven Suite for Orchestra considered by some critics as rhe best Clasical release of 2004, something that no Yes member (except Moraz I think), has ever done.

And he never played too many solos with Genesis

Iván

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And... YES, I vote for GENESIS. 

zabriskiepoint wrote: Genesis, because although i really like CTTE and Fragile, I think Yes does not put any heart in their songs, they are just frigid and cold. But anyway I think Floyd kicks both their asses.

Making your opinion void.

As someone said earlier, comparing Yes to Genesis is like comparing apples to oranges; it comes down to preference.  Both bands have had a major influence on music as we know it at some time or another, and are extremely talented.  Trying to pass your opinions off as fact on who's better is like trying to run a race with no legs: any way you approach it, you're still going nowhere.


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Difficult choice ...

But not so difficult because I knew Yes before and when I met Genesis over 10 years ago it change the way i'd listen to music. So much powerfull emotions...

But, Yes is very great too, just think about the whole Tales from topographic oceans album, one of my top 5 porog album of all times!

raindance wrote: floydaholic wrote:   Assuming King Crimson didn't exist.

I have read just about every prog band encyclopedia, aotobiography,
biography ect and not once have I read that King Crimson influenced any
band or genre! In fact it beats the sh*t out me why anyone can compare
this mediocre band with the true prog greats, ie. ELP, Yes, Genesis
ect!!!!!!!!!!

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King Crimson didn't influence any band? That couldn't be farther from the
truth. I don't need to explain it's just an obvious incorrect statement. It
beats the Sh*t out you you why you can compare this mediocre band
(KING CRIMSON?? Is this THE King Crimson we're talking about?) with the
true prog greats?????

You forgot one of the true prog greats! King Crimson!

EDIT: And my opinion would be that I enjoy King Crimson more than Yes
and ELP (though not Genesis.) King Crimson wrote better songs than Yes
IMO. Fripp was a genius at writing guitar parts with emotion while Howe
was a genius at practicing how fast he can move his fingers ( I do
love Howe's playing, but he does tend to play a bit too fast. Like Petrucci.)

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raindance wrote: Genesis's weren't vituoso musicians and their music is easy to emulate, hence the reason many neo prog bands sound like them! Bands like Yes, ELP, and Gentle Giant on the other hand were brilliant musicians and any band trying to copy them would sound silly because the musicianship is beyond their capabilities!

 

Hmmmm?????

Let's see these newer band's try to cover "Down and Out", "Mad Man Moon"... There is a reason why John Wetton did not play the bass and try to sing "Watchers Of The Skies"... How many drummers can try to keep time while having no bass to direct them.... Even the much maligned Genesis music of the late 70's and 80's had songs that would trick many that would think was "so simple"....

Charles

NouSomesduSolei wrote: Collins also was a great drummer, but whoever said that Collins was better than Bruford, YOUR NUTS. Bruford is by far a better drummer.

Bruford is a very influential drummer, he has even had a surmountable influence on Phil's drumming pre Foxtrot but Phil's drumming as I wrote earlier in the thread, on listening recommendations from Bill himself, Bill began discovering drummers like Bernard Purdie, Jack DeJohnette, Lenny White and Billy Cobham, and his once rapid handed drumming was replaced with a fury that even Bill himself said he could not match....

By 1976 when Bill became Genesis' tour drummer, Bill's oft-kiltered drumming sounded odd drumming to what most people seemed to to be simple sounding music....

I've also been reading this back and forth between Ivan and (forgive me for forgetting your signature name) but both guys are entitled to their opinions and when they become page long this and that it takes away from the point of this thread, so what Yes's musicians are better than Genesis, I certainly do not care, Genesis is my personal ALPHA/OMEGA while Yes at one time had a big chunk of my listening space, which since then has been replaced by many other bands.

Oh and by the way, Peter, Steve and Tony were very innovative, Mike's was extremely imaginative expanding on the Family theory of dextorous bassists that doubled on guitar (like it or not, Mike's contribution to The Lamb was just as important as Tony) and very few of Phil peers (if any) were as powerful and soulful as Phil was during their heydey... (great example And Then There Were Three as far Phil's drumming was within Genesis) the drumming on this album was outstanding....

Charles

eduardossc wrote: Phil wrote: I am a big Yes fan and they got my vote but that's a matter of personal preference......comments about Genesis not being as vituoso miss the point...yes, (sic), Yes were/are more flash and are probably better soloists but Genesis are no slouches either and in particular Steve Hackett is a great instrumentalist, Collins too. Anyhow being virtuoso isn't everything - look at Pink Floyd. Having said that it sometimes grates with me how high Tony Banks comes up in keyboard polls...he's an excellent composer/arranger who plays keyboards but not (IMHO) deserving of his usual no 3 ranking behind RW & KE.    Now, that´s a clever comment ¡¡.

Thanks, Hi Eduardo!

I am a big Yes fan and they got my vote but that's a matter of personal preference......comments about Genesis not being as vituoso miss the point...yes, (sic), Yes were/are more flash and are probably better soloists but Genesis are no slouches either and in particular Steve Hackett is a great instrumentalist, Collins too.

Anyhow being virtuoso isn't everything - look at Pink Floyd.

Having said that it sometimes grates with me how high Tony Banks comes up in keyboard polls...he's an excellent composer/arranger who plays keyboards but not (IMHO) deserving of his usual no 3 ranking behind RW & KE.

 

Agree with everything that's been said about YES being a far superior band!