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Beatles: Sgt Pepper vs Abbey Road |
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Tom Ozric 
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 Posted: December 19 2018 at 13:16 |
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 I do think The Beatles are overrated, although, they did have immense popularity to the point of world domination ! They could have easily curled up in a ball and become a really experimental Prog band as the 70’s rolled on, but they didn’t...... |
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 13:06 |
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^ That is a great one. I think the album is so transcendent that sometimes it's actually hard to hear. |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 13:03 |
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I don’t see many (any) mentions for Fixing a Hole, such a great song. I’m not really a fan of the Fab Four, but they have done some good things.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 06:48 |
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Abbey Road is much better if only because of the terrible Harrison track Within You
Not a fan of a few others on Pepper (Rita, Home, Morning and Kite), but that's probably more due to over-exposure Whereas Maxwell and Octopus, I never understood why some people had gripes against them, but I still find both quite enjoyable nowadays
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 02:12 |
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I agree, I've read loads of Beatles books and never read anyone say OG was better than Rita or GMGM (which incidentally goes to a new level on the recent reissue).
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 01:59 |
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I suppose it was a mere coincidence that all of the material on that majestic artistic triumph Sgt Pepper (1978) w/ Bee Gees Frampton et all was all taken from these two albums. Sweet inspiration. A Day In The Life is a pinnacle. For me the placing of this bleak vision, which still is very much of it's time, outside the Sgt Pepper garden gives the album the necessary contrast from the various psych pop styles of the content. '60s pop art and very good. Pair it with Mystery Tour and the picture takes on quite a shine. With Abbey Road they finally got around to making a rock album, a proper one. And a really good one as well. I'd pick Abbey Road, the worst is the same quasi daft ideas that first appeared on Pepper the best is generally better. Tough nothing quite tops A Day In The Life. I know I probably shouldn't but I do like dear old Octopus' Garden. Country child like whimsy; pretty much everything I find abhorrent that is not punk or Puppy Love. Trouble is ol' Ringo is charming as you can get. Nice man.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 00:32 |
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I couldn't care less about what books or forums say. And yes I think Rita and Good Morning are better-- they have soul and joy and creativity. Octopus's Garden is a children's song. Nothing wrong with that but it's not on the level of anything on Peppers. Edited by Atavachron - December 19 2018 at 00:33 |
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 00:00 |
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Abbey Road
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 15:41 |
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Do you think that Lovely Rita or Good Morning, Good Morning are much better? In every italian forum of the Beatles, and even in the music critics books I have read, they are considered worse. |
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 15:18 |
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erm.......Revolver !!!
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 14:34 |
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Are you out of your bloody freaking mind? Take the cotton out of your ears and turn off the leaf blower. Edited by Atavachron - December 18 2018 at 14:35 |
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In My opinion Octopus's Garden is a good country-pop song (awful is Dont Pass Me By from the White Album). Excellent the fender guitar solo by Harrison, excellent the arrangement, valid the melody and the singing of Ringo. If I consider the quality, It's better than When I'm Sixty Four, Lovely Rita and Good Morning Good Morning (Sgt Pepper) and similar to She's Leaving Home, which flies higher than Octopus for the simphonic arrangement but (in my opinion) is too much verbose. Moreover, in the context of the first side of Abbey Road, a light, pop but well-done song is good. Anyway, I consider the side A of Sgt Pepper slightly better, as a whole, than the side A of Abbey Road. Sgt Pepper's side A is perfect (conception, quality, sequence, arrangements, total effect) only She's Leaving (if I wanted to be finicky) is not completely successful.
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 05:21 |
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Only one? Not the awful Octopus's Garden then?
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Posted: December 17 2018 at 18:25 |
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Pepper. I always thought, clearly in the minority, that Abbey Road was just okay. I mean, it's still the Fabs, but if you remove the outstanding Harrison material, I don't think Paul or John had their best songwriting here.
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Atavachron
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Thing is, the Beatles were a rock band until the day they broke up. Sgt. Peppers was a rock album even with all its innovations and art music, and it is that rawness, those imperfections & flaws, that make it a true masterpiece. Same for Revolver and the White Album. What made Abbey Road appealing was a slight but significant move away from rock 'n roll toward the kind of cleaner, somewhat overgroomed mainstream pop that would have immeasurable influence on all popular and commercial music in general. I prefer Pepper. |
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My personal ranking:
1 Abbey Road: 9,5/10 - Five stars 2 Sgt Pepper: 9,5 - Five stars 3 White Album: 9,5 - Five stars 4 Magical Mystery Tour - 9 _Five stars (4 and half) --- 5 Rubber Soul: 8,5 - 4 stars 6 Revolver: 8,5 - 4 stars 7 Let It Be: 8+ - 4 stars |
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Posted: December 17 2018 at 16:37 |
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I prefer the White Album to either, but if forced I would say Abbey Road.
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Posted: December 17 2018 at 16:29 |
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Despite the media hype, I still prefer Sgt Pepper overall compared to the albums released around it. It has a level of consistency that the others lack at times, despite obvious highlights on those.
Like many bands, one album doesn't do full justice to their legacy, and a few truly epic albums could have resulted from cherry-picking the output from Revolver through to Let It Be. I suppose the 'Blue' album reflects that reasonably well - although that has omissions and anomalies too. I always think what the ultimate compilation double album would be from that latter period (including the singles etc.)? I might think about such an iTunes playlist over the Christmas break, perhaps. |
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Posted: December 17 2018 at 12:02 |
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Very tough question for me....I think Revolver , Pepper, White, and Abbey are all excellent.....to say that one is 'better' than another is hard since they all contain some brilliant songs.
But this is about Pepper and Abbey.....,Maxwell, Octopus, and Sun are all on the light side as songs go so I'm going to pick Pepper as the 'better' one here but that's as subjective as it gets.
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Posted: December 17 2018 at 11:54 |
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Sgt Pepper, but it's a close call.
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