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Poll Question: Is Saudi Arabia a rogue state?
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

But Saudi-Arabia is an ally of the US [italics mine]. How is a thoughtcrime like this allowed on a US-based forum?


Because we still enjoy freedom of speech, unlike the Saudi's...

For now anyway..

I think the US is the biggest rogue state in the world these days. Undeclared wars for decades, IMF loans forced upon developing nations, CIA sponsored overthrowing of democratic leaders of other nations, etc. If anyone cares to dig deep into the untold history, the US has been THE quintessential rogue nation since WWII. Saudi Arabia is allowed to appear as if it's rogue in order to focus the attention away from the true miscreants but it's not hard to learn through declassified documents and Freedom of Information Act requests exactly what has been going on. Check out Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States and it really only scratches the surface.

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Saudi links to global terrorism

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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

But Saudi-Arabia is an ally of the US [italics mine]. How is a thoughtcrime like this allowed on a US-based forum?


Because we still enjoy freedom of speech, unlike the Saudi's...

For now anyway..
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But Saudi-Arabia is an ally of the US [italics mine]. How is a thoughtcrime like this allowed on a US-based forum?
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Rogue state implies Saudi Arabia is acting alone. They couldn't engage in their crimes against humanity without arms sales from the US and tacit support from the world community


In the same way Iraq was supplied chemical weapons by the west, then branded a rogue state.

Of course, it's not clear what the actual definition of a roguge state is, I guess.

Iraq was only a rogue state as far as obeying US orders. From what i understand, Saddam was installed as a US backed puppet and only once he got it in his head to take matters in his own hands was he officially deemed a rogue leader. In the case of Saudi Arabia, the US has been cozying up for decades with the oil rich royalty with our current prez making the latest appearance. There is nothing Saudi Arabia is carrying out at the moment without the blessings of the cabal that has taken over the US intelligence agencies and many parts of the government. Ther is literally a civil war happening beneath the scenes at the moment. 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Rogue state implies Saudi Arabia is acting alone. They couldn't engage in their crimes against humanity without arms sales from the US and tacit support from the world community


In the same way Iraq was supplied chemical weapons by the west, then branded a rogue state.

Of course, it's not clear what the actual definition of a roguge state is, I guess.
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Rogue state implies Saudi Arabia is acting alone. They couldn't engage in their crimes against humanity without arms sales from the US and tacit support from the world community

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^^^They've offred Israel use its airspace, in the past, should they want to bomb Iran.

There are some strange and contradictory alliances in the world, which is why I think the entire war on terror is completely bogus. The west alligns itself with some of the worlds most brutal regimes and backers of global Islamic terrorism, and the only reason I can think why it would do this is because those nations are opposed to the regimes in Iran and Syria who happen to be allied to Russia.
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A modern day medieval dictatorship , led by a family who rule mafia-style. Their society has not contributed anything to the rest of the world outside of oil. Hypocrites as well, as the irrigation of once arid Mecca, Rhyad and Medina was entirely due to using Israeli technology and know how, via an Austrian front company. 
Primitive and weapons heavy.... a bad combination. 
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First option for sure.

The funny thing is that Trump's travel ban doesn't include Saudi and Pakistan while it includes Iran whose citizens are among the foreigners that have contributed the most to the US.
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If they ever need to test an atomic weapon again I would mind the royal palace in Riyadh... 
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Option number one.

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^A global arms embargo would be the right way to deal with states that keep extreme religious views. But I would be surprised if the US or the UK would start such a thing. Moreover, the US see Saudi Arabia as an ally and they have played a lead role in destabilizing the ME.

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^^^ Agreed.

How about a global arms embargo? Can't see the US or UK signing up to such a thing though.
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I think they are to be considered as a rogue state indeed. They've got Europe by the balls since 1975 (the Strasbourg Resolution, text can be found here) and their ideology is hard or not to tell from that of ISIS.

I think the first thing to do is break with the policy as formulated in this resolution.
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In light of Saudi indirectly funding Wahabist terrorism, attacking Yemen and now apparently squaring up to Qatar, are they to be conisdered a rogue state?

Before we even get on to the human rights abuses, and general mysoginistic and homophobic stance, should they be considered in the same category as Iraq (under Saddam) or Syria?

If so what action should be taken against them? Do they have the west by the balls because of the oil and arms trade, and in their current pursuit of Iran through the back door, should we expect a Russian response in defence of their ally.
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