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 Posted: February 10 2010 at 21:38 |
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I'm not a big DT fan but they are prog legends. Not legends generally- they're not a household name and I doubt they ever will be- but they have cast a huge shadow over prog and so are definitely prog legends whether you like them or not.
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Logan
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 21:12 |
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If one means by legend, "a romanticized or popularized myth of modern times", then....
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VanVanVan
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 21:11 |
To be fair, DT has been "celebrated" in the sense that they continue to be talked about and respected (for their influence, even if you don't enjoy their music) for 18 years already (if you count since Images and Words)... and they've managed to stay arguably more consistent than some of the other "legends" we recognize. I apologize for the terrible run-on sentence ^  |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:56 |
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I don't see how anybody can say that DT is not a legend, and I am not a fan of them at all.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Kashmir75
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:54 |
 King By-Tor wrote:
"already"? They've been around now as long as King Crimson had been around when DT started. 22 years is a long time there, peeps.
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That's true. In 20 years, Yes had gone from Yes! to Big Generator. Pink Floyd had gone from Piper At the Gates... to A Momentary Lapse of Reason. 20 years is a long time, at least in the fickle entity known as the music business, folks. DT still get treated like a recent phenomenon. They've been at the game for quite some time. In fact, I think they are nearly eligible for the Rock and Roll Hame of Fame (isn't the cut off point 25 years or something? Not that they'll ever get into that joke of an establishment). They are indeed worthy of prog legend status.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:53 |
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The thing about DT is that I don't think any band has had quite a monopoly or a stranglehold on prog quite like what DT has had for the past 15-20 years. They've really kinda been THE prog band of the 90s and 00s, as I believe Jeff noted earlier. For that reason, I don't think we have any choice but to look back at this time and crown them as the kings of current prog.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 20:46 |
R.E Sabbath: Not only are they definitely metal, they pretty much started the whole damned genre! Just about every metal group that followed owes something to Sabbath. About them not being heavy, well its all contextual. Imagine being there in the late sixties, with hippies singing about peace and love. Then these doom and gloom merchants come along, and scare the hipsters and the establishment s&*%less with their terrifyingly heavy, bluesy sound. The song 'Black Sabbath' still freaks me out to this day!
Back on topic, DT are legends of the prog genre. They have done a lot for prog. Aside from being revolutionary in the prog metal subgenre, they go out of their way to help champion fellow bands that may not have got the same success they have (Pain of Salvation, Beardfish, Bigelf, etc). You must credit them for this, even if you're not a fan. I respect them for sticking to their beliefs, and doing what they want to do, even back in the nineties when prog was completely not in fashion.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 12:53 |
i read some post and i think that Sabbath has many many excellents riffs and heavyness that many bands lacks today. I add that also the Sabbath music have a density and a depth that others bands lacks.
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micky
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:34 |
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for me.... I'll be around to be proven wrong if I am.. but don't think I am.
we have celebrated the likes of Yes, Genesis, ELP for 30 years now...
in 30 years... people will say DT?.. who?
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lazland
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:21 |
I've got four DT albums, and whilst I would never state that I am an adoring fan of the band, no one with an inkling of prog knowledge could deny that they are probably THE leading exponents of the genre right now, both commercially and through media statements. All respect to a bunch of latter day legends 
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The Pessimist
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:05 |
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I don't particularly like the band much. In fact I can't stand their music. But ANYONE who has at least an ounce of prog knowledge has to appreciate that they did solidify Progressive Metal as a genre, and they did earn the genre a lot of respect, so kudos to them.
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jampa17
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 10:00 |
Raff wrote:
Just for the record: I didn't mention Sabbath, nor do I think they are metal - they're much more than that. Anyway, if you think music should be defined by loudness, I am afraid we're never going to agree... What so much prog-metal lacks these days is not volume, but sheer power. Black Sabbath may sound soft to your ears, but I'd urge you to give a listen to stuff like "War Pigs" or "Symptom of the Universe", and then you might revise your judgment. |
In that I totally agree... there's some spontaneous energy and originality that is almost impossible to reach these days... but... DT is one of those bands who really have it... Memorable riffing...??? Dream Theater have enough... and I think all of us knows what songs are they...!!!
Edited by jampa17 - February 10 2010 at 10:01
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:53 |
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Indeed Symptom of the Universe is one of the most killer riffs, strikes terror and sends shivers down my spine everytime I hear it. DT have NEVER written a riff that memorable, not even Metropolis. Sorry, I don't like to be defending Sabbath in a thread about DT but my hand is forced.
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:50 |
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Just for the record: I didn't mention Sabbath, nor do I think they are metal - they're much more than that. Anyway, if you think music should be defined by loudness, I am afraid we're never going to agree... What so much prog-metal lacks these days is not volume, but sheer power. Black Sabbath may sound soft to your ears, but I'd urge you to give a listen to stuff like "War Pigs" or "Symptom of the Universe", and then you might revise your judgment.
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Negoba
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:48 |
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Prog is a narrow category these days so it's easy to say that absolutely DT is one of the legends.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:47 |
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Loudness = / = Heaviness. Sabbath is definitely metal and imo more metal than a lot of DT. Lately, DT do have a lot of metal in their music but much of it has simply been prog rock with metallic riffs, which is not quite the same thing as metal.
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:46 |
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"already"? They've been around now as long as King Crimson had been around when DT started. 22 years is a long time there, peeps.
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jampa17
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:41 |
Raff wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal... |
Please, could we avoid a sort of 'generational conflict' situation? I have been on PA for almost 5 years, and I can assure you there are a lot of 'older' people who like metal, and 'younger' people who don't (Ricochet is one of them). I used to be a big metal fan in the Eighties, and still like a lot of the 'classic' bands of the era, though 'traditional' prog-metal doesn't really float my boat (I'm much more interested in the other two varieties). So, please, let's try to debunk the myth of the old farts who can't stand anything heavier than Deep Purple...
Personally, I don't like DT (though I own some eight CDs by them, and have also seen them live), but I can see their importance for the development of modern prog-metal. What I really can't stand is the myriad of clones who are flooding the market - I'm listening to one of them now for reviewing purposes, and it's anything but a pleasurable experience. Give me some Judas Priest or Iron Maiden any day!
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Yes... yesterday I read one review of yours in that matter... but com'n... Sabbath is not metal... or well, is not heavy... Now, Priest and Maiden are really the thing but you see... the revolution of metal happens in the 80's... maybe Sabbath was the first metal band, but it sound very soft nowadays don't you think... I mean... Metal has become a lot louder this days, of course there are some mommy whommy metal bands but in this case, I do believe that the older guys do not stand DT for their heavieness... but OK... I take it back... In this site there's people who don't give enough value to metal... but the younger generations are really pushing them up... is that better...???
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:39 |
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As others have stated more eloquently: I'm not a big DT fan, although there are some songs that are really amazing, but they are legendary no doubt. Very influential and an important band in prog.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 10 2010 at 09:24 |
Raff wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Well, after all the reasons mentioned, I think it's very important to take in consideration that they are still today the most strong movement in prog rock... I mean, they manage to make the second Progressive Nation in Europe and America, they did a world tour and manage to bring out Pain of Salvation into the australian dates... for the Systematic Chaos they toured with Symphony X... so, they are really making the movement evidently succesful all around the world...
And by record sales without any media support and the legions of new fans they are still growing... yes, they are living leyends, not only for their 90'2 productions... If you check the reviews... the younger fans still consider Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds masterpieces... In this site there too many older people who don't digest metal, but the younger people is really pushing them up higher... yes... they are leyends and a total reference to Prog Metal... |
Please, could we avoid a sort of 'generational conflict' situation? I have been on PA for almost 5 years, and I can assure you there are a lot of 'older' people who like metal, and 'younger' people who don't (Ricochet is one of them). I used to be a big metal fan in the Eighties, and still like a lot of the 'classic' bands of the era, though 'traditional' prog-metal doesn't really float my boat (I'm much more interested in the other two varieties). So, please, let's try to debunk the myth of the old farts who can't stand anything heavier than Deep Purple...
Personally, I don't like DT (though I own some eight CDs by them, and have also seen them live), but I can see their importance for the development of modern prog-metal. What I really can't stand is the myriad of clones who are flooding the market - I'm listening to one of them now for reviewing purposes, and it's anything but a pleasurable experience. Give me some Judas Priest or Iron Maiden(and SABBATH!) any day!
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