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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 03:12

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:


The real solution?  Read lots of reviews, get familiar with given reviewers' tastes, and see how they stack up against yours.  Read multiple reviews of the same album.  Read for the content, not for the score, and see what the content of the review means for you.  That is how you'll be best off on deciding if a particular album is worth a purchase.

Thats good advice M.O. I suppose too that its hard to measure against other works that you may not have heard.

We all have our opinions and favourites too and i suppose seeing Tormato getting slaughtered and lesser bands being praised is hard to stomach. It is like when a star player of some minor league player is given more headlines than a good honest team player from the major leagues when in reality the latter is a much better player. So with respect, Tormato which is not the best yes album would be a giant in the Asia catalogue.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 03:04

It's very true what you say. But is this phenomenon really a flaw in archives, but more a flaw in basic human charateristic?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 03:02
That would be a fundamental "flaw" of any sort of review about a band who has more than one album.  To review something almost always means to give a point of reference, and honestly, the easiest point of reference is another work by the same artist.  A 3-star review of a Yes album, for example, would probably indicate that it is a 3-star Yes album.  To get around this, maybe the reviewer could say "If any other band had released this work, I would've given it..."  And to be honest, many reviewers do this.  But if a certain album would be 4 stars against most bands, but 2 stars for the band in question, giving it a 4-star score would be saying "This is a 4-star album by this particular artist", and that could be misleading.

The real solution?  Read lots of reviews, get familiar with given reviewers' tastes, and see how they stack up against yours.  Read multiple reviews of the same album.  Read for the content, not for the score, and see what the content of the review means for you.  That is how you'll be best off on deciding if a particular album is worth a purchase.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 02:52

Having this week read reviews of Relayer and Tormato been given three and two stars respectively and Albums like Alpha by Asia given 5 stars i'd like to discuss this great flaw in the system.

Almost Universally CTTE by Yes attracts a high score and it seems here on P. A. that this is held up to be the masterpiece of Prog. This is all very well but what happens next is that other Yes albums are judged against this benchmark. The Relayer review did just that and accorded Relayer 3 stars. Likwise Tormato was rubbished against the greater canon of yes works that preceded it  eg. "Lyrically, however, Jon really falls down on this album. He falls into the trap of producing lyrics that sound campy. In the tracks on Close to the Edge, for example, Jon's lyrics were majestic and obscure." There are many examples throughout the yes reviews.

Now take that great Prog band Asia for example and an album called Alpha is reviewed and once more it is copared to the previous work the self titled Asia

Incredibly Alpha is given 5 stars. Yes 5 stars, you read that correctly.

My argument then is this....How would Tormato be rated if it was an album by hundreds of bands that appear on Prog Archives, would it be a 2 star album. What if it was an Asia album?

What if some lesser known band had made it would it be held up as a classic of the genre?

I'm not sure but i am convinced that the lesser works of yes and other great bands are being hard done by because they are directly compared to that bands great works and that the better efforts of weak and average bands are grossly exagerrated in their importance. There are of course exceptions to this rule.

 

 

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