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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 05:22
very well put :) so maybe in about 10-20 years, we can see a completely different list, and another young person scratching his head as to where his favourite music ranks up ;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 05:18

Originally posted by jverweij jverweij wrote:

so basically you are implying that in order for us as an audience to judge an album we actually need to wait a few years, to see where it stands? That is actually something I've not considered, and would certainly explain this :)

Yes. How well a piece of art stands the test of time is often one of the best indications of how well-crafted it really is. Anything can be hugely successful for five minutes, and then disappear when something equal replaces it. The best albums, probably, are those that are remembered fondly in many years to come.

Also, it's easier to analyse particular eras and movements retrospectively than it is when they're actually happening. There are a lot of trends and attributes that separate 60s music from 70s music, 70s from 80s, etc....... but at the time, people probably didn't notice as much...... because they weren't able to just look at the important things that happened, they had to live through it all. In 1969 people weren't talking about progressive rock much....... yet now, when they do, they often refer to that year.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 05:17
yeah i was a bit surprised to see Haken in there aswell tbh, mostly because i am still waiting for it to be released..
But what will probably happen is that those ratings will go down and it might even disappear out of the top 100 entirely (their previous album was a killer though, so who knows).
 
This would confirm the above mentioned hypothesis that albums need time to sink in to see where they stand. Question remains, how much time are we talking about here?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 05:12
Welcome to PA, J. You ask an interesting question. Well, "prog" is a rock subgenre that is defined by how it sounded and what it achieved in the early 70s, when it had its best moment. Since PA was established everyone rated the classics first because they form the hardcore of (almost) anyone's interest in prog. However, as time passed, people started discovering and rating new prog too, which is why modern albums started getting good positions in the general chart. Once in a while someone starts a thread asking what the hell are those recent albums doing in the chart. LOL

Personally I think that we are now actually facing the opposite phenomenon: new bands being hyped too much and not deserving the positions they get in the general chart. I mean, Haken made the 32nd best prog album of all time, better than Mars Volta or PT (from the more representative modern bands)? But as I said that's just me.

I would give you the link on the Wayback Machine to see how the chart looked in 2005 or 2006, but unfortunately that website isn't working these days because of maintenance. But you can trust me whn I tell you that was very, very little modern prog compared to what we have these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 05:11
so basically you are implying that in order for us as an audience to judge an album we actually need to wait a few years, to see where it stands? That is actually something I've not considered, and would certainly explain this :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 05:07
Well of course they are rated higher because of nostalgia, but why should that mean they don't deserve their place?

Definitely, there are excellent albums made in the last 20 years, but they haven't had the time to create a legacy. It's that legacy that gives those albums that extra bit of rating. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2011 at 04:44
Hi there,
 
I realise this is a fairly bold statement to make in my first post, but I've gone over the PA's top 100 list and I noticed 2 things: (1) the ratio of  "forefathers of prog" bands to more recent bands is quite astonishing, and (2) the overall rates for some of these albums are, compared to modernday masterpieces very high.
 
Now I am in no way saying albums like "Close to the Edge", "Dark Side of the Moon", or "Ommadawn" for example don't deserve their place in this list. They, and many others from the early prog days are fantastic albums. I own about 60% of this list, and love most of these albums.
The first album not out of this era to appear, is Anglagards "Hybris", which is in my opinion a great album, but not that great (this actually warrants a topic of its own, since here i feel that people cling to this as a masterpiece because it was spawned in the near prog-void of that time). The only other album in the top30, not from the early days of prog, is Opeth's "Still Life".
 
The problem here is, I am 29. Which means I was born in 1982. I wasn't there when these albums came out, and I therefore do not have a good idea of the impact of this music at that time. Yes, I am inherently implying that the ratings (4.64 for Close to the Edge, after well over a thousand votes) are being influenced by a sense of nostalgia and by the significance for the genre.
 
I just cannot for the like of me conceive that out of all the wonderful progressive music that has been made for the last 40-50 years, only 27 of those have come from the last 30 years!
 
I'm interested in you thoughts :)
 
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