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Posted: March 23 2011 at 02:16

^ My previous question still stands: How is a Marshall amp more personal than a Line6 amp?

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 19:07

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Wow I'm suddenly doubting the musical credibility of progarchives. Are people seriously saying that these Line 6 modeling amps match the tone of a good quality tube amp? That is absolutely ridiculous. They sound so ****ing processed and like generic modern "hard rock" tones. Have fun matching the quality of my natural overdrive tone with one of those. A friend left one at my house a year ago and I've used them....their fine for practice I guess but the tone has no balls.

If you're a metal head they'll probably satisfy you, but the warm tones are non existent. All the gain channels have that incredibly artificial crunch to them. I'd rather buy a small tube amp that can't be loud enough to gig than a garbage sounding amp that can be loud enough. There's always PA's that can mic the smaller amp. I can't believe people want these amps that are going to give them all these tones, get an amp and make your own damn tone. If you want a "modern shred sound" almost any distortion pedal will give you that. I've had the same amp for six years and have never been playing music it didn't work for. There aren't amps geared towards everything.

Which is more or less what I said (not in so many words, though). Musicians nowadays don't seem to understand the concept of personality via tone

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 14:21

^ Who said that I'm using pre set tones? And I haven't used Line6 technology in years.

I'm currently using Guitar Rig 4 by Native Instruments, and it sounds great - that's all I can say. And I've been using real amps for a long time.

BTW: I'm not a professional musician, and I agree that many will still use real amps. Some, however, are not, and since digital technology keeps getting better and better, that number will increase.

Here's an old demo that I recorded years ago - not even with Guitar Rig 4, but with Line 6 POD Farm:

http://freedownloads.last.fm/download/247177224/Earth%2Band%2BSky%2B%2528Mix%2B8%2529.mp3

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 13:34

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

clarkpegasus4001 wrote:

let prog reign wrote:

does anyone know a good amp to use for a epiphone les paul guitar for under 300$

What style of music are you playing?
If it's jazz or a "clean" style then go for an OLD Roland cube amp or an old Yamaha 1X12.
If it's rock and "filth" sounding there's plenty out there, try a Peavey Studio (tranny amp) or Laney 15
If you want an old valve amp you could try an old Wem there can be had very cheap.
Good luck....

What if someone wants to play all sorts of styles? That's definitely the case for me - at the very least I want to have a modern shred sound, an ultra-clean sound, and a retro-sound. That's why I wouldn't be comfortable with a real amp, unless maybe for a pricey ultra-high end four channel amp.

If you get a smaller tube amp it'd have the clean tone, turning it up a lot will give you natural overdrive (the retro tone, unless you are thinking fuzz in which case, get a pedal later in time), and "modern shred"-if it has a gain channel turn the gain way up, otherwise distortion pedal. This way at least you won't progress past your low end amp and just need to buy another one in a few years. The generic shred tone is usually just boat loads of distortion with the bass and highs up and the mids cut.

EDIT: I realise this got out of hand, I simply despise that digital tone. It's obviously subjective, but one thing that is not is that you ARE NOT getting that good tube amp sound with one of those things. Theres a reason why companies and musicians have kept up with tube amps despite how inconvenient and expensive they are compared to solid state/modeling amps. It's not that a majority of the world is nostalgic. Really guys, it's stuff like these pre set tones that are making everybody sound the exact same anymore. Look at our prog heroes of this site, Fripps tone to Zappas, then look at a side by side comparison of many modern tones....its embarrassing...they have less originality than all those 60's pop groups.

Edited by himtroy - March 22 2011 at 13:56

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 13:27

Wow I'm suddenly doubting the musical credibility of progarchives. Are people seriously saying that these Line 6 modeling amps match the tone of a good quality tube amp? That is absolutely ridiculous. They sound so ****ing processed and like generic modern "hard rock" tones. Have fun matching the quality of my natural overdrive tone with one of those. A friend left one at my house a year ago and I've used them....their fine for practice I guess but the tone has no balls.

Edited by himtroy - March 22 2011 at 13:32

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 04:27

clarkpegasus4001 wrote:

let prog reign wrote:

does anyone know a good amp to use for a epiphone les paul guitar for under 300$

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Posted: March 21 2011 at 20:56

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I don't know. Isn't everything made in China? Wink

Everything except Chinese food I think. No wait. they make that stuff there, too. Tongue

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Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:23

let prog reign wrote:

does anyone know a good amp to use for a epiphone les paul guitar for under 300$

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 11:27

Triceratopsoil wrote:

I don't think [modelling amps] sound bad per-say, I think it's important that a guitarist has the capacity to develop a signature sound in such a manner that isn't allowed for by the technology.

Modelling amps are based on real world amps - and many real world amps are based on other, more expensive real world amps. I don't see why you couldn't develop a signature sound using amp modelling. I have a signature sound which I gravitate towards no matter which software amp I'm using.

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 11:09

Triceratopsoil wrote:

I don't think they sound bad per-say, I think it's important that a guitarist has the capacity to develop a signature sound in such a manner that isn't allowed for by the technology.

Amps and instruments are technology.

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 10:56

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

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Any Colour You Like wrote:

Hahaha, Colin and your Line6 hate. Yeah modelling amps aren't the best, but they are fine if you muck around.

Isn't it odd how people were saying these things about modelling amps when they came out more than 10 years ago, and even back then there were people who liked them and thought they sounded great? Since then every 1-2 years the modelling techniques were improved, and even those who didn't like them admitted that, but today they still say the sound sucks.

Guitar Rig 4 sound nothing short of amazing. And particularly if you plan to record songs, you will have to spend a lot more money and time to match the result using a real amp.

I don't think they sound bad per-say, I think it's important that a guitarist has the capacity to develop a signature sound in such a manner that isn't allowed for by the technology.

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 04:08

Any Colour You Like wrote:

Hahaha, Colin and your Line6 hate. Yeah modelling amps aren't the best, but they are fine if you muck around.

Guitar Rig 4 sound nothing short of amazing. And particularly if you plan to record songs, you will have to spend a lot more money and time to match the result using a real amp.

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 04:03

Slartibartfast wrote:

By the way, Mr. Mike, are

Behringer

amps actually made in Germany?

That's the maker of my new keyboard amp.

I don't know. Isn't everything made in China? Wink

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 01:41

As homeless as I am, it's a f**king good deal.

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 01:38

lol

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 01:31

Triceratopsoil wrote:

Orange Amps are f**kin' sex. They are out of his price range, though; a 5-watt combo amp will cost you like 600$

True, but hey, they are quality.

Also, I came to within a few minutes of getting that Genz Benz today, had to restrain myself seeing as I'm still homeless.

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 01:29

Orange Amps are f**kin' sex. They are out of his price range, though; a 5-watt combo amp will cost you like 600$

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Posted: March 15 2011 at 01:22

Hahaha, Colin and your Line6 hate. Yeah modelling amps aren't the best, but they are fine if you muck around.

OP, have you considered Orange Amps? The smaller wattage tube amps are pretty retro sounding, if you are into that.

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Posted: March 14 2011 at 23:52

Slartibartfast wrote:

Kind of depends on how loud you want to get, doesn't it? I got a good new keyboard amp for about that price.

My amplifier goes up to 11.

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Posted: March 14 2011 at 19:41

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

It also depends on what you want to do with it. For example, if you also want to record your music an external amp is relatively difficult to set up, and you also need a microphone + stand and a really quiet room. Getting a software amp and connecting your computer to your hi-fi can yield superior results. The drawback, obviously, is that it's not a real amp, and that it only works with your computer. So if you want to use it to perform live, you'll need a laptop.

Another solution: The newly released Line6 POD HD series:

< ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">http://line6.com/podhd/index.html

These will give you a *lot* of variety - and you don't need a computer. You'll still need an amp, but it can be your hi-fi, your computer, headphones etc..

By the way, Mr. Mike, are

Behringer

amps actually made in Germany?

That's the maker of my new keyboard amp.

Edited by Slartibartfast - March 14 2011 at 19:41

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