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Poll Question: Which band do you prefer?
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Originally posted by b4usleep b4usleep wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Crimso for me. Seen both live. I wish that I could have seen Peter era Genesis live. 

 

Is anybody here, seen (Gabriel era) Genesis live?
I think there are many on this forum who saw Genesis live before 1976.  I saw them at the Reading Festival in 1971 and 1972, at the Oval in 1972 and on the Selling England and Lamb Lies Down tours.
 
To me there is no contest here.  Of the 13 albums produced by these two bands before 1975 I would rank them as follows:
1. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway 
2. Court of the Crimson King
3. Selling England By the Pound  =
   Foxtrot 
5. Nursery Cryme
6. Wake of Poseidon 
7. Trespass 
8. Lizard 
9. Starless = 
    Islands 
11. Larks Tongues
12. Red
12. Genesis to Revelation
 
Genesis started average but got better and better with each album until they produced one of the greatest albums ever.
 
King Crimson started with one of the greatest albums ever but each successive album was not quite so good.
 


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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Writer of music held beliefs that I find distasteful
ERGO
The music is rubbish.

OY, such nonsense people try to pass off as logic these days.
 
I´ve meant that I dislike Wagner´s music due to its pomp and pretentiousness especially. The unexceptionable fact about his anti-semitism only confirms my belief but it´s not the main reason.
 
His music isn´t rubbish but not my cup of tea.
A prog rocker who dont like "pomp and pretentiousness " wooooow! I think your on the wrong forum, go and listen to your unpretentious punk rock then or something... Wink
I seriusly never understod why pomp and pretentiousness is so bad in music, in all other arts its fine but in music its a crime, music must be simpel and easy obviusly and a big laugh, damn thos musicians that take em self to seriusly!
 
Well. Let´s say Wagner is TOO POMP AND PRETENTIOUSNESS  for me. Like Epitaph power of ten.Wink
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Grrr... if there are Genesis fans out there creeping about waiting for the last minute to vote, you are really making me nervous. Please come out! Confused
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Originally posted by Ronnie Pilgrim Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:

 
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! Approve(Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).

Clap Well stated. I like Genesis too, but I love King Crimson. Genesis songs always seemed to be a compilation of catchy tunes strung together into a long song (albeit with some great lyrics) and while they were pleasant and beautiful to hear, they sounded the same every time. King Crimson songs seemed more sophisticated; music that was not catchy but moving, and grew on me slowly until I craved it. For me, it's like comparing Copeland to Bach. Wink

Wow!
i though I was the only one who felt that way about Genesis!!
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Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! Approve(Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).

Clap Well stated. I like Genesis too, but I love King Crimson. Genesis songs always seemed to be a compilation of catchy tunes strung together into a long song (albeit with some great lyrics) and while they were pleasant and beautiful to hear, they sounded the same every time. King Crimson songs seemed more sophisticated; music that was not catchy but moving, and grew on me slowly until I craved it. For me, it's like comparing Copeland to Bach. Wink
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

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Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band"  . But  progressivenes itself isn't very important   feature ! It says nothing about a Music . For example, Wagner is more "prog" than Tchaikovsky but we all understand who is better composer Wink .

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Wagner by a considerable distance.
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Obviously Wagner by miles and miles.
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Obviously Tchaikovsky by light year. I like his Slavonic feeling and congenial tunes.
On the other way, Wagner was anti-Semite incidentally. And his compositions sounds very pompously even large to me. 
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ A lot of accounts were deleted. They were made specifically to vote in the polls.
 
I thought that had been sorted out before the Gen V Yes poll? Shocked
 
In which case shouldn't we have another poll (Number 12 I believeSleepy )
 
 

Don't think so. It was discovered around the same time.

The genesis v Yes v PFM poll may have more accurate numbers.


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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ A lot of accounts were deleted. They were made specifically to vote in the polls.
 
I thought that had been sorted out before the Gen V Yes poll? Shocked
 
In which case shouldn't we have another poll (Number 12 I believeSleepy )
 
 
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

What I find odd about this poll is that in the Genesis V Yes round over 100 members voted for each. 
 
So where have all the voters gone ?


Can't vote anymore until you have 40 posts because people were skewing the polls with multiple accounts. I'm one post away now!
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What I find odd about this poll is that in the Genesis V Yes round over 100 members voted for each. 
 
So where have all the voters gone ?
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Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band"  . But  progressivenes itself isn't very important feature ! It says nothing about a Music .

So? I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! Approve
(Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).

And after the great live footage of Genesis above, I'd like to add for equality:
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Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Writer of music held beliefs that I find distasteful
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The music is rubbish.

OY, such nonsense people try to pass off as logic these days.
 
I´ve meant that I dislike Wagner´s music due to its pomp and pretentiousness especially. The unexceptionable fact about his anti-semitism only confirms my belief but it´s not the main reason.
 
His music isn´t rubbish but not my cup of tea.
A prog rocker who dont like "pomp and pretentiousness " wooooow! I think your on the wrong forum, go and listen to your unpretentious punk rock then or something... Wink
I seriusly never understod why pomp and pretentiousness is so bad in music, in all other arts its fine but in music its a crime, music must be simpel and easy obviusly and a big laugh, damn thos musicians that take em self to seriusly!
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for your info my good friend , King Crimson , Genesis , Pink Floyd , Jethro Tull , Van Der Graaf , ELP , and so many others cannot compete , but albums can ! so no vote from me ! Genesis & King Crimson have the same value to me /
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Writer of music held beliefs that I find distasteful
ERGO
The music is rubbish.

OY, such nonsense people try to pass off as logic these days.
 
I´ve meant that I dislike Wagner´s music due to its pomp and pretentiousness especially. The unexceptionable fact about his anti-semitism only confirms my belief but it´s not the main reason.
 
His music isn´t rubbish but not my cup of tea.
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Writer of music held beliefs that I find distasteful
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OY, such nonsense people try to pass off as logic these days.
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Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

OMG! Wagner was anti-Semitic? (stupid term)...I must stop liking his music immediately!

Wikipedia proves it Wink :
Wagner's writings on race and his antisemitism[171] reflected some trends of thought in Germany during the 19th century.

I wasn't denying it.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

OMG! Wagner was anti-Semitic? (stupid term)...I must stop liking his music immediately!

Wikipedia proves it Wink :
Wagner's writings on race and his antisemitism[171] reflected some trends of thought in Germany during the 19th century.
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Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band"  . But  progressivenes itself isn't very important   feature ! It says nothing about a Music . For example, Wagner is more "prog" than Tchaikovsky but we all understand who is better composer Wink .

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Wagner by a considerable distance.
[/QUOTE]

Obviously Wagner by miles and miles.
[/QUOTE]
Obviously Tchaikovsky by light year. I like his Slavonic feeling and congenial tunes.
On the other way, Wagner was anti-Semite incidentally. And his compositions sounds very pompously even large to me. 


Edited by Gandalff - November 11 2010 at 12:17
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