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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 21 2010 at 06:08 | |
I think one of the reasons for them being so dismissive of AHM, is the fact that it essentially was Ron Geesin who was the brains behind the whole thing. Both Waters and Gilmour were sonic control freaks, and here they are practically out of the equation. I love PF to pieces, but I am not too keen on artists being dismissive of their own output, especially when it involves another great musician, who put his blood, sweat and tears into that specific record. What Ron Geesin did was a stroke absolute genius, and part of me still thinks that they secretly are a bit jealous of him, for doing something that was beyond them at the time. They almost lost control. You can probably guess what I picked Just because Echoes sits on Meddle like a giant anchovy on your pizza, and it´s my fave PF song - I think AHT blows it out of the water. Alans psychedelic breakfast is just amazing too. BTW - Ron Geesin also put out a brilliant solo record called As he Stands. Pretty weird but very recommendable. |
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40footwolf
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Posted: October 21 2010 at 03:03 | |
I guess I didn't spend a whole lot of time devising a science for my Pink Floyd album tournament.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: October 21 2010 at 02:41 | |
This approach is amusing but ultimately heavily flawed
Such a classic prog (and in mlany ways proggier than Meddle) album as AHM tossed out on the first round, when it would most likely have trounced Piper, Saucerful, More and Umma......
and if we avid having to pit WYWH against DSOTM, because of OBC, we won't avoid pitting WYWH against Animals
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Logan
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Posted: October 21 2010 at 00:08 | |
Chris, I don't demand that they enjoy it either (at least Geesin enjoys it). If any musician wants to sl*g their contributions to a project, more power to them. I used the term douchey because of the cleansing properties of a douche (washing oneself of...). In this case, though, and I was trying to highlight the point, it's not just a matter of being very dismissive of one's own work, it's about dismissing other people's work. That was rather the crux of my post.
Roger Waters had collaborated with Ron Geesin before (on Music From the Body), and Waters had this big idea for orchestra that they didn't know how to execute, so the composer/ arranger Geesin was called in. They gave him a backing track to work from while they went on tour and asked him to arrange it for orchestra and put it together. Geesin ended up doing far more and added new melodies, and really shaped it. He called on others to work on it (most notably John Aldiss for choral work and he deserves credit), and in the end I think it became very much a Geesin work (a collaboration, but one heavily indebted to Geesin). Still, it was released, they had the band's name put on it, and they toured with it. So it's not just about Waters and Gilmour sl*gging their own work, they're calling the work of another rubbish. They've also been dismissive of Syd Barrett's work. I have wondered if it is an ego thing. Gilmour, despite having been dismissive of Atom Heart Mother for mnay years -- he had called it "absolute crap” -- played guitar for it when Ron Geesin revived it in 2008, complete with orchestra and chorals. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 21:25 | |
Oh i don't "demand" they enjoy it. I just think they're dead wrong that it sucks. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with them....when they are so outspoken about the work, they invite feedback from fans. And I'm sure they don't mind that fans discuss this stuff, it sells more albums for them
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40footwolf
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 21:17 | |
I find it incredibly greedy to enjoy an artist's work AND demand that they enjoy it as well. There's nothing "douchey" about sl*gging off your own work if you think it's terrible, because it's YOUR WORK, and I think that saying otherwise indicates something of an entitlement complex.
Also, this isn't nearly as close as I thought it was going to be.
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Finnforest
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 19:22 | |
Totally agree Greg...those two don't have a clue about their own early work and its impact, which is astonishing. I've seen Roger diss other early work like Piper too. The fact that they are ashamed at some of the youthful naivity, excesses, or tech problems is probably about ego, but their fans are wiser. Who cares that AHM is not "about anything." It doesn't have to be! Music is emotion too, whether Rog writes a diatribe to go with it or not. And David, good lord. He's prouder of some of his 80s slop than a classic like AHM? No Dave, your lowest point is called Momentary Lapse or About Face, brother. |
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Lozlan
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 19:12 | |
Atom Heart Mother. I recently rediscovered this album thanks to you fine folk. It's AMAZING.
As for Meddle...I really love every Floyd release but Meddle. I lurve Echoes, of course, and One Of These Days, but everything in between in just 'meh' for me. I'm especially unenthused about Fearless: I think the random singing throws me off what would otherwise be a decent, if somewhat unremarkable, song. Anyhoo, AHM. Not a song on there I'm not currently passionate about. |
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The_Jester
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 18:17 | |
Atom Heart Mother is really one of the greatest Pink Floyd album only with the suite.
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yanch
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 15:46 | |
Meddle.
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Logan
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 15:04 | |
Mine too. It's interesting that band members have been so dismissive of the suite, but then they weren't pleased with what Ron Geesin (who co-composed it, orchestrated it...) did with it, nor pleased with their performances on it. I think Geesin (and Aldiss whom Geesin brought on for the project) did great work on it, and I think its Geesin's involvement that really elevates it for me over other Pink Floyd stuff (though I do like Ummagumma and earlier Floyd work, as well as Meddle, considerably. I'm not so big on later Floyd). Some quotes from wikipedia: Quotes
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 14:53 | |
It may sound strange, but I always found that Meddle was sort of a simplified version of AHM.
So AHM it is |
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DeKay
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 13:20 | |
Meddle, because "Echoes" beats "Atom Heart Mother"
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Weirdamigo
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:39 | |
Both outstanding albums that represent the "space-era" of Pink Floyd.
My vote goes to Meddle, nothing beats "Echoes" and "One of these days (I'm going to cut you into little pieces)" |
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fendermuzz
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:35 | |
Meddle go on
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dedokras
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:25 | |
Meddle for me
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RoeDent
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:16 | |
This is a really tough round. Both albums have really strong songs (both epics), and also really weak songs (Alan and Seamus, respectively, imo). In the end, I voted for Atom Heart Mother, because I prefer the title suite over Echoes, as great as Echoes is.
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Roj
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:11 | |
A great similarity between these two. Each features a magnificent long piece and several shall we say, weaker tracks.
However, I prefer Echoes over the AHM Suite, and Meddle also has One Of These Days so I voted Meddle.
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snobb
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:00 | |
Meddle, one between PF very best release.
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someone_else
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 02:38 | |
Meddle, #3 on my list of PF albums. But the title track of AHM is equally good.
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