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Points: 651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 14:47
Originally posted by progvortex progvortex wrote:

Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

You could look at it as blasphemy, or you could think that maybe, just maybe, some people who never would have heard King Crimson otherwise will look up the original song and get into prog. Unlikely, but possible. Stranger things have happened.

Or even be content that a modern pop artist thought that an old prog tune was good enough/appropriate material to include in a major single, keeping the music alive in the same way that sampling has done for many old soul and R&B records from the '70s. 

Or you could wail that the "integrity" of the song has been ruined, or whatever nonsense thought one pillows themselves with in order to avoid the strain of trying to understand a separate musical culture from one's own. 


Pop music is made for passive listening and quick likability. It doesn't take any straining to understand it. I get it. I don't like it.

First of all, "musical culture" is a separate thing from "music". 

Secondly, it always cracks me up when people don't realize that ANY music they enjoy is designed for "quick likability". Mr. Bungle is designed for "quick likability" to the kind of person who likes Mr. Bungle. Why do you think they were picked up by Warner Records? It's called "catering to demographics", dude, and if you think ELP, Yes and Rush didn't do it just as much as Kanye, Rihanna and Ne-Yo do now, you're fooling yourself as to how the music industry works. 
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I think its quite cool  - i just wished they had used more of the riff in the Kanye West version - i hope he samples Red next :)
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Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

And clearly Robert Fripp approves, as any permission to use the sample would have had to go through him, so i don't see why anyone should have a problem with it.
He actually didn't approve it. But I guess that's ok since he seems to live for the copyright lawsuits.


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It helps that i don't consider "Schizoid Man" to be some sort of sacred cow, but I actually kind of enjoyed that. Kanye West (and/or the producer) actually do something creative with the samples while remaining true to the spirit of the original. And clearly Robert Fripp approves, as any permission to use the sample would have had to go through him, so i don't see why anyone should have a problem with it.
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Points: 12794 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 19:46
Sorry if I sounded whiny in that first post, I just don't like hip hop/rap, and maybe it was a shout out, or Fripp is getting royalties! 

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I wonder if Fripp agreed to this.
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I heard another song for the first time that sampled "Video Killed the Radio Star"...
 
Now I don't see The Buggles as a band on this site...aren't they at least prog related?
 
(I'm almost certain that I have just irritated some people...but hey this is a web forum...)
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Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

You could look at it as blasphemy, or you could think that maybe, just maybe, some people who never would have heard King Crimson otherwise will look up the original song and get into prog. Unlikely, but possible. Stranger things have happened.
This is my thought exactly, however when the previews for that dumb movie "The Social Network" come on TV and I hear those immortal lines being sampled it does make me cringe a bit...
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Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

You could look at it as blasphemy, or you could think that maybe, just maybe, some people who never would have heard King Crimson otherwise will look up the original song and get into prog. Unlikely, but possible. Stranger things have happened.



This is my thought exactly, however when the previews for that dumb movie "The Social Network" come on TV and I hear those immortal lines being sampled it does make me cringe a bit...
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Hopefully it wins a Grammy and Fripp can run up on stage and interupt Kanye's speech.
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2010 at 14:02
Blasphemy? Jesus Christ, stop taking music so seriously. Did you know that Robert Fripp likes the song? I don't know why, since it's very annoying, but you can calm down and save your faux-outrage for something slightly more worthy.
Originally posted by SolarLuna96 SolarLuna96 wrote:

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I don't think you should worry about that, it's a pretty stupid statement with poor spelling and grammar, so any outside events can't change the stupidity.


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Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by SolarLuna96 SolarLuna96 wrote:

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now my signature has less meaning!!!!

Your signature didn't mean anything to begin with. 


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Who cares what Kanye West does. So what. I pay no attention to him or what he does, so it doesn't bother me. There's no blasphemy involved.
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Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

You could look at it as blasphemy, or you could think that maybe, just maybe, some people who never would have heard King Crimson otherwise will look up the original song and get into prog. Unlikely, but possible. Stranger things have happened.

Or even be content that a modern pop artist thought that an old prog tune was good enough/appropriate material to include in a major single, keeping the music alive in the same way that sampling has done for many old soul and R&B records from the '70s. 

Or you could wail that the "integrity" of the song has been ruined, or whatever nonsense thought one pillows themselves with in order to avoid the strain of trying to understand a separate musical culture from one's own. 


Pop music is made for passive listening and quick likability. It doesn't take any straining to understand it. I get it. I don't like it.
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Points: 651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 20:53
Originally posted by SolarLuna96 SolarLuna96 wrote:

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now my signature has less meaning!!!!

Your signature didn't mean anything to begin with. 
Heaven's made a cesspool of us all.
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Points: 12794 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 20:48
NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now my signature has less meaning!!!!


Edited by SolarLuna96 - September 30 2010 at 20:49
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2) Has been in jail for 5 months
3) Just now wrangled up some internet connection

Cause honestly, there are like 3 topics on this already and it's way old news.
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Originally posted by VanVanVan VanVanVan wrote:

You could look at it as blasphemy, or you could think that maybe, just maybe, some people who never would have heard King Crimson otherwise will look up the original song and get into prog. Unlikely, but possible. Stranger things have happened.

Or even be content that a modern pop artist thought that an old prog tune was good enough/appropriate material to include in a major single, keeping the music alive in the same way that sampling has done for many old soul and R&B records from the '70s. 

Or you could wail that the "integrity" of the song has been ruined, or whatever nonsense thought one pillows themselves with in order to avoid the strain of trying to understand a separate musical culture from one's own. 
Heaven's made a cesspool of us all.
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