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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:39
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

I'm not taking HER seriously at all. But when she's being called a great artist, then yeah I assume some people are taking it seriously.

I think it's worth debating about, what is it about culture today that says THIS is what constitutes great art for our generation? Huh?
 
I had my tongue planted firmly in cheek when I called Lady Gaga post modern, though a lot of people would really label her as such.
 
Postmodenism was based around the idea and need to challenge the ideals of beauty and aestheitcs and what could be art. I'll give Gaga credit on the image side of things, she's definitely trying to challenge what can be defined as sexy.
 
But in terms of music however. Exactly what is challenging about Gaga's music at all? It's pop music 100%. I don't see how it's post-modern unless it's intentionally ugly pop music. I'm certainly not denying that possibility, but a lot of people seem to think of it as just great catchy pop music. So are they missing the point?
 
There is stuff I love that can be considered post-modern (especially on the cinema side of things), but I think post-modernism is rather outdated now. We've proven that art can be intentionally ugly if it wants to be and that's ok, so why is it that modern art critics think art is only credible now if it's deliberately ugly? What ever happened to art that can inspire and stimulate you? I fail to even see what's challenging about contemporary art, it's the same old shtick. A guy presented an unside down urinal as art and since then the definition of art has changed dramatically. Art isn't even allowed to be expressive anymore. It's just cold, dry cynicism.
 
Wasn't the repetitive nature of art what guys like Duchamp were complaining about in the first place?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:38
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

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No, seriously, stop talking about Lady Gaga, it's becoming an obvious case of forced meme.


I don't tell you to stop talking about music you enjoy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:36
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No, seriously, stop talking about Lady Gaga, it's becoming an obvious case of forced meme.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:24
She is simply the second coming of Madonna, who I'm sure is the second or third coming of some other performer before my time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:20

I'm not taking HER seriously at all. But when she's being called a great artist, then yeah I assume some people are taking it seriously.

I think it's worth debating about, what is it about culture today that says THIS is what constitutes great art for our generation? Huh?
 
I had my tongue planted firmly in cheek when I called Lady Gaga post modern, though a lot of people would really label her as such.
 
Postmodenism was based around the idea and need to challenge the ideals of beauty and aestheitcs and what could be art. I'll give Gaga credit on the image side of things, she's definitely trying to challenge what can be defined as sexy.
 
But in terms of music however. Exactly what is challenging about Gaga's music at all? It's pop music 100%. I don't see how it's post-modern unless it's intentionally ugly pop music. I'm certainly not denying that possibility, but a lot of people seem to think of it as just great catchy pop music. So are they missing the point?
 
There is stuff I love that can be considered post-modern (especially on the cinema side of things), but I think post-modernism is rather outdated now. We've proven that art can be intentionally ugly if it wants to be and that's ok, so why is it that modern art critics think art is only credible now if it's deliberately ugly? What ever happened to art that can inspire and stimulate you? I fail to even see what's challenging about contemporary art, it's the same old shtick. A guy presented an unside down urinal as art and since then the definition of art has changed dramatically. Art isn't even allowed to be expressive anymore. It's just cold, dry cynicism.
 
Wasn't the repetitive nature of art what guys like Duchamp were complaining about in the first place?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:12
I agree with you, but I irks me when people assume to know an artist's intention or even assumes that there was an intention.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:07
Well I guess I don't, but Lady Gaga and Beyonce murdering a diner and dancing in American flag bikinis is fun, but it's not some deep sh*t about feminism. She strikes me as a fairly intelligent person and I'm assuming she is self-aware enough to realize that. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:03
I couldn't care either way, but I doubt you know the intent of her videos.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 08:01
Hahaha, let's not start talking about Bjork again, please.

I don't care much about Gaga either way, but I get upset when people take her nonsensical videos far too seriously. There's feminist writing similar to the gay issues writing those tumblrs are reacting against, but I can't find it easily so whatever. Her videos are just stylish images, and that is all they're meant to be. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 07:57

Yeah but Beethoven was f*cking deaf. LOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 07:56
Beethoven himself said he's a fan of the Ga's work.
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Uhhhhhhhhh.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 07:39
She's certainly better than Bjork.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 07:36

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 07:26
Maybe she gets compared to Bowie because she's a great songwriter. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2011 at 07:19

Funny how putting a lobster on your head gets you compared to David Bowie and Bjork.

Maybe Gaga gets the Bowie comparisons because she's such a pretender? But i don't even see that, Bowie actually comes up with characters, his songs tell interesting stories and he's an insanely diverse musical performer. I don't get that from Gaga.
 
Bjork? Regardless of what you think of Bjork's taste for imagery, her performances actually come from the heart, if she does pretend, she's better at than anyone else in the world. Her outfits have more to do with her sense of aesthetics than a desperate plea for attention or a blatant attempt to be shocking. Bjork actually strives to make something beautiful.
 
 
Bowie and Bjork actually make music that pleases me aesthetically. So I guess that makes Gaga more successful as a post-modern artist.
 
But in a world full of ugliness, why is being deliberately ugly still considered such an accomplishment anyway?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2011 at 19:36
Haha. Iconography FTW. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 11:22
Did I mention I have a hard time hating stuff I don't listen to? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 10:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by sydbarrett2010 sydbarrett2010 wrote:

i haaaaaaaaaaaattttttttteeeeeeeeeee her Angry as much as every other crappy music artist rock and metal and blues and jazz rules

I have a hard time hating stuff I don't listen to.  Move along, nothing to see here.  Well her main thing is being a spectacle.  Reminds me of the hair who lost his testicles.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 10:16
One of the best entertainer nowadays. I would love to see her live, you will probably see more people smiling there that a most of the prog concert. Of course different people, different music hard to compare but....
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