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Poll Question: What overall effect do you think it's had on your PA experience?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:07
Collabs are collabs because they've been recognised for knowing what they are talking about. Now I don't know about you guys, but when I'm reading a review I want to read one from a guy with a relevant opinion, not some douchebag advertising Nike trainers, or even worse, a troll.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 11:58
First off, I never used PA before the current system was implemented. I feel that the current system is quite good (with some room for improvement). For albums that have over a couple hundred reviews, I don't necessarily want to sift through all of them. In general I believe featured members write better reviews. Another big deal is bandwidth. If I am interested in reviews of Close To The Edge I don't want to wait for all 800 reviews to load and I'm sure M@X doesn't want to waste the bandwidth.
My sensible idea is that if an album has over X number of reviews then only the collaborators get on the main page. However, if the album has X or fewer reviews then everyone gets on the main page. If I am interested in an album that only has a handful of reviews by collaborators you can be darned sure I'm going to look at the rest of the reviews. I'm sure this idea can be tweaked to account for the various proportions of collaborator to non-collaborator reviews.

As for the ads (since they got brought up), I'm not sure how much money will be lost by moving them fromt he middle of the page to the bottom. I'm perfectly fine scrolling the extra bit to get past them but my one gripe is with the eBay ad. This thing hijacks your mousewheel when you are scrolling down if your mouse happens to go over this part of the page. I am often annoyed by this so it would be great if something could be done about it.

Finally to answer your remaining questions, yes I think some form of my brilliant idea will be implented and no, you will never find true love. You will find someone that is good enough and, since you know of nothing more, you will wind up with that person. It will, however not be true love.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 09:32
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

I am a little perturbed by having to scroll right down past all the adverts, ebay and amazon etc., to actuallly get to the reviews...Ermm
 
 
 
Totally agree... and yes, we only write reviews for our own pleasure, because nobody will reach for the reviews on the side, and keep skipping the pages back to go and see another review... so I'm with those who want a change on the format... about true love in the other hand... it exists, surely, for all of us... but is difficult to recognize it and we're scared...!!! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 09:03

If you are not a Collaborator, there is no reason in the current system to put effort into a review of an album if not for your own satisfaction. Your opinion otherwise is nearly worthless.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 03:30
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

I am a little perturbed by having to scroll right down past all the adverts, ebay and amazon etc., to actuallly get to the reviews...Ermm
 
 


Agreed! Very annoying to say the least. I wish they were at the very bottom of the page as I think the vast majority of us would like to get to the albums and reviews straight off, without wending our way through a mindfield of ads for Ebay and the like!

I am in two minds about the reviews layout. Yes - I think collabs reviews should be prominently displayed but there are a lot of great reviews from guest reviewers, which I tend to overlook unless I happen upon them on the PA homepage. I think the layout should be revisted with guest reviewers given a little more prominence, similar to the old layout.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 03:10
I am a little perturbed by having to scroll right down past all the adverts, ebay and amazon etc., to actuallly get to the reviews...Ermm
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 02:46
Little change: generally spoken (but not always), the collab reviews are better, although there are lots of good non-collab reviews. And the last 10 reviews are displayed in full length on the band's page, so a non-collab review may be displayed there for many a month if he chooses to review an album by a lesser known band. But I think it might be better if some more of therse reviews is shown on the album page.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 02:39
I can't comment on the old format, but I really don't like the new one.
It seems like massive favoritism to me.

Example of one of my reviews:
This is mine - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=241824
And this review gets a place on the front page. I'm not saying its bad, but I think it's fairly obvious that I spent more time on mine than was spent on the other.

I know the other review was written in 2004, but I still don't think thats fair. And also, I've seen the same thing happen with a lot of other reviews, where the reviews which took massively long are forced into the side column to make space for those which took less than 5 minutes, and in some of the very early cases, don't even make the 100 word minimum.

Just my two cents,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 02:23
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

 
By the way, when are we going to see reviews by you ? I'm really curious about them.
Some day. There are a couple of albums that I've been thinking about reviewing, but I feel more enigmatic without them. ;-)


Henry reviews....that should be, interesting.

And I guess I feel negatively, its just another example of admins using special treatment. Reviews should just be there, IMHO. But also, I really don't care about it really.
Besides, no one wants to read my reviews LOL


Edited by JJLehto - November 06 2009 at 02:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 02:20
I do look at members' reviews if I'm not satisfied with Collab reviews. They come second though (or they don't come at all in the case of albums extensively reviewed by Collabs).

Should this be a negative or a positive vote?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 02:02
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

 
By the way, when are we going to see reviews by you ? I'm really curious about them.
Some day. There are a couple of albums that I've been thinking about reviewing, but I feel more enigmatic without them. ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 01:52
Don't know about true love Henry, that's hard Stern Smile but about your other question: I'm not sure if I can answer this fairly since I'm a collab and thus my reviews are shown complete. But if I were a guest reviewer I would probably be less enthusiastic. What I don't really understand is why these reviews are minimized because in 9 out of 10 cases there is enough room for the guest reviews to be shown completely. Maybe it's a matter of server space or something, we would have to ask M@x for that.
 
By the way, when are we going to see reviews by you ? I'm really curious about them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 01:48
I joined the site after the change, but I think I like it better this way than I would have the old way.  In most cases not only are the collabs better reviewers, but they are the reviewers who have reviewed a very large number of albums and havent just picked out their favorites or least favorites to voice their unusual opinion about an album.  Non-collaborators may not like the layout for compressing their reviews, but if they dont like it then they can write more and become one.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 01:34

Some time ago, M@x changed the reviews page so that it now by default only shows the full Collab reviews and a few minimized member ratings. Since it has been a significant amount of time since that change, I thought it would be interesting to see what PA members thought of it after working with it for a while, since the reaction at the time was almost universally negative.

Personally, I have noticed myself not bothering to look at member reviews nearly as much. When casually browsing, rather than researching something, I'm much more likely to only skim the paragraphs on the side when there's only a few reviews, although then when something catches my interest I have to go and reload the page. And while I remember that I used to occasionally look at random member reviews of some of the albums with larger review counts, I now never bother to load that page. While this is in part because I now how no reason to sift through 850 reviews of CTTE, I do think it has had a chilling effect by preying upon my laziness and natural distrust of random members I've never heard of before. It's also caused me to, if I were to review an album, only review albums that still have less than 3 member reviews because of the pushing to the side.
 
What do you think about the format? Do you think your answer to this poll will change anything? And will I ever find true love?


Edited by Henry Plainview - November 06 2009 at 01:37
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