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FloydWright 
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 Posted: May 11 2005 at 10:44 |
 ivan_2068 wrote:
Also for example Prog Metal section would turn into a Dream Theater fan club, but if all prog' is in one section, we all have the chance to read and even contribute to a thread about Symphony X or Fantomas without having to deal only with experts of the genre and dig through 150 threads about DT which is almost the exclusive band mentioned in that genre, |
While I do think there'd be a good bit of DT stuff, try to remember that not all of the threads could've been moved over to the Prog Metal board were moved at the time the sections were separated. There was an Ayreon thread I'd been working on at one point (a few of them, actually) that were never moved. I think they stopped moving threads mid-process because of the complaints.
I also have to wonder if the number of DT duplicate threads would actually drop because the fans would have their existing threads more easily accessible?
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Infinity
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Posted: May 11 2005 at 07:04 |
Garion81 wrote:
I agree with Ivan on that. Not only for us, the members who have been here a while, but what about newbies who want to talk about their bands and couldn't find the right discusion forum? I had never really paid attention to all the labels because I like so many different things and they are all prog to me. There are a lot of bands that cross genres on every album. Would it just be a whim where they were placed? Geese, I know all three of you are knowledgeable but you can't have time to listen to every band here not to mention the new ones being requested for additon.
Thanks for all your efforts though. I
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Joren
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Posted: May 11 2005 at 05:35 |
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Tuxon and Ivan: If you'd like to LEARN, then just visit the threads in subgenresubforums that you know little about! Is it that hard?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 11 2005 at 01:35 |
Agree with Tuxon, but I might add something:
This is a discussion forum, not only for fans and experts of a determined band or genre, but for everybody to learn, if there were only subgenre divisons and not a prog lounge, subgenre sections will become to technicall and complex for a normal use, I assure you I would never post or visit Zeuhl or Prog Metal, but now I have the chance to give my opinion and even whine sometimes.
Also for example Prog Metal section would turn into a Dream Theater fan club, but if all prog' is in one section, we all have the chance to read and even contribute to a thread about Symphony X or Fantomas without having to deal only with experts of the genre and dig through 150 threads about DT which is almost the exclusive band mentioned in that genre,
The way the Forum is now gives everybody the chance to learn more and to allows the participation of all members.
Iván
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tuxon
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 21:18 |
Joren wrote:
Too bad.  YOU
PEOPLE ARE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGES AND NOT WILLING TO GIVE SOMETHING NEW
A CHANCE! I am dissappointed. Most of you turn out to be not as
PROGRESSIVE as you claim to be.   |
Not quite true Joren. I understand why you thought it was a good plan
to subdivise the different threads in specific genre related forums,
but try to see it my way.
I like to read (not nesseceraly write in) threads about bands I know
little to nothing about. When those threads dissapear in a forum I
hardly ever visit (Kraut rock, prog metal, or obscure prog) I will not
easily get into such a discussion and might miss out on something I
might want to learn/know about.
Also the huge number of different forums clouded the page, and it was
hard to keep track on threads I already read, and I found myself
rereading posts that i already had read some times before.
I think we could have given it a longer try, that's why I hardly
complained about it the first day. But the way it is now has my full
support.
Still I support you, and think you are right when you say it wasn't all
wrong. The subdivision had an advantage in searching on genre related
threads/subjects which now dissappears.
Maybe it should be a possibility to give Threads not only a name, but
also a sub-name, declaring which kind of thread it's supposed to be,
dividing the subtitles in subgenres, with an additional title like
cross-genre, or not genre related (choose from a difinite list of
subtitles).
for excample.
Thread title: Why don't i like Dream Theater
Sub-title/genre: Prog-metal.
Than the forum can have it's subdivision, without scattering the forum
to bits, and for people interested can sort the forum on subtitle. just
a thought 
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Joren
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 17:30 |
Too bad. YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGES AND NOT WILLING TO GIVE SOMETHING NEW A CHANCE! I am dissappointed. Most of you turn out to be not as PROGRESSIVE as you claim to be.
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Alucard
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 14:45 |
I was on holiday and now the house is all cleaned up.Nice, it takes more "effort " to see what is happening, but it's worth it, IMHO the posts are going to be more directed and specifique. 
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terramystic
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Posted: May 10 2005 at 04:50 |
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Some interesting threads get lost next day (somewhere to page 3) and
nobody reads it anymore... I liked the subgenres categories better! Threads were easier to find because now a lot of different threads are mixed on several pages...
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FloydWright
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 22:43 |
Syntharachnid wrote:
My thoughts exactly. That way, the people who listen to progressive metal just because it is metal, and not because it is progressive can be seperate from the people who listen to progressive rock because it is progressive. We'll have less ELP haters on our hands that way, and less people who would wear a Pink Floyd t-shirt one day and a Slayer t-shirt the next. These people don't seem to get along well with the people who wear a Pink Floyd t-shirt because they were actually at the corresponding show. |
Ahem, aren't we stereotyping a little bit?
First off, who says all the ELP haters come from the prog-metal group? As for me, I can't give an opinion of ELP because I've never heard any. Not sure I even want to, though, seeing the behavior that surrounds it on both the pro and con side. I have ENOUGH trouble just from being of an "in-between" opinion on Dream Theater!
Who says all prog-metallers listen to it JUST because it's metal and don't care about the progressive element whatsoever? Certainly untrue for me! I started with Pink Floyd but really found my prog-niche with prog metal. I listen to it for BOTH reasons. With metal I pretty much stick to prog and power.
And what's wrong with wearing a Pink Floyd shirt one day and (in my case) a Killswitch Engage shirt the next? It doesn't make me an automatic idiot or jerk or whatever. And it's not like I do it just for looking cool...I genuinely like both styles, and I can hold my own just fine with a bunch of Floyd fans. And did it not occur to you that a LOT of people are quite simply too young to have seen a Floyd show? And that's certainly not their fault...that's really thanks to the band's inaction and don't-give-a-rip attitude. But just because I am young, it doesn't mean I don't know my stuff and cannot appreciate the music. PF came first. Then some other prog...then metal. This is why I use a Floydian name and a metal avatar, because I genuinely like and appreciate both.
Please, do not broadbrush people; this really drives me up the wall. Would you like me to broadbrush all Pink Floyd fans as stoners when I know very well that's not the case? I think we should all keep our stereotypes to ourselves. It's getting REALLY old and makes this forum very unpleasant for a lot of people.
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Syntharachnid
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 22:27 |
geezer wrote:
I actually liked the new changes. 
The main problem for me is that there is very, very much prog metal threads.
How about two lounges:
"Progressive Rock Lounge"
"Progressive Metal Lounge"
This change would make a huge difference.
Just a suggestion...
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My thoughts exactly. That way, the people who listen to progressive metal just because it is metal, and not because it is progressive can be seperate from the people who listen to progressive rock because it is progressive. We'll have less ELP haters on our hands that way, and less people who would wear a Pink Floyd t-shirt one day and a Slayer t-shirt the next. These people don't seem to get along well with the people who wear a Pink Floyd t-shirt because they were actually at the corresponding show.
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tuxon
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 19:57 |
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maani
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 19:37 |
Cygnus:
Your wish has been granted!
Peace.
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Eddy
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 19:28 |
i liked the idea of the sub genres, i was just about to write about krautrock and why it rock behond all other threads, but then the subgeneres were deleted before i could do it!
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 18:30 |
You could have kept the Featured CD section. Otherwise, .
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terramystic
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 16:50 |
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FloydWright
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 14:26 |
geezer wrote:
I actually liked the new changes.
The main problem for me is that there is very, very much prog metal threads.
How about two lounges:
"Progressive Rock Lounge"
"Progressive Metal Lounge"
This change would make a huge difference.
Just a suggestion...
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YES!
This is exactly what I would've suggested, and I'm glad to already see it here. This is probably the most obviously identifiable subgenres, and one that also generates a large amount of discussions. It's one that I don't imagine people would argue as to what threads do and do not belong there, in most cases.
It would really help me to have the prog metal threads all in one place because that's what so many (but NOT all) of my favorite prog bands are. I'd also be willing to help with the sort if necessary.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 14:11 |
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Thanks Maani, I can appreciate the quandry, and the need to find a balance, but I think good sense has prevailed.
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Poxx
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 05:12 |
That was a horrible desicion to remove the subgenre forums. What possible harm could the subgenres cause, as long as the main prog forum remains open for anything prog? There's no logic or even a reason for bringing them down other than: "by strong requests".
What about just letting all the posts/threads that are posted in the subgenre forums also be visible in the main forum? Problem solved, everyone is happy. Many other game and movie forums around the net uses this system.
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geezer
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 02:27 |
I actually liked the new changes.
The main problem for me is that there is very, very much prog metal threads.
How about two lounges:
"Progressive Rock Lounge"
"Progressive Metal Lounge"
This change would make a huge difference.
Just a suggestion...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 09 2005 at 02:27 |
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