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^ they should be seperate entries, as far as I know all of Fripp's various projects have their own entry, no stress, just get it when you can.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.


After all, maybe Naked City and Painkiller should have their own entries?


I think we're going to go down this road.  My knowledge of Zorn is next to nothing but this just seems to make sense.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Jaco Pastorius with Material? I doubt this, but I will check this anyway.
 
The print on the insert for the CD is so small you need a magnifiying glass to read details of the line-up, however, the web provides (see track 4 listing below) and shows my memory ain't that faulty:

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DOWN BY LAW

  1/  Afro Beat                                  (Dibango,Wilson,Laswell)      6.31
  2/  Boat Peoples                               (Dibango,Turre,Wilson)        7.03
  3/  Baliphone Dub                              (Wilson)                      4.24
  4/  Makossa Rock                               (Dibango,Wilson,Laswell)      11.06
  5/  Gammatron                                  (Wilson,Laswell)              5.22
  6/  Doo Root                                   (Wilson)                      3.44

          Recorded at Evergreen Studio
          Produced by Bill Laswell and Phillip Wilson for Material/OAO
Manu Dibango : tenor saxophone (1,2,4), voice (1,2); Bernie Worrell: synthesizer (1,2,4); Aiyb Dieng : congas (1,2), cowbell (1,2), talking drums (4); Phillip Wilson : cymbals (1,4), DMX (1,2,3,4,5), percussion (2), baliphone (3,4,6), bells (3), bass synthesizer (4), metals (5), kalimba (5), drums (5), processed piano (6), water tube (6), floor toms (6), congas (6), plastic hammers (6), cabasa (6); Bill Laswell : bass (1), DMX (1,2,3,4,5), AMS (2,4), shortwave (3); Steve Turre : conch shells (2,6), didjeridoo (2,4,6); Olu Dara : cornet (2,4), wood trumpet (2,4); Jonas Hellborg : bass (3,5), fuzz bass (3); Rob Stevens : processed piano (3), electric piano (6); Paul Butterfield : harmonica (4); Jaco Pastorius : bass (4); Robert Musso : processing (4). 

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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:26
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

One of our local secondhand record shops filed a big section of Laswell's recordings under 'Dance' or 'Turntablism' - the latter tag will be a first hereBig smile.
 

Now why don't we have a Turntablism sub on this site? LOL

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


About P.I.L.'s "Compact" (or "Album", or "Cassette" - depends on the format!), I wonder if it hadn't some bad reviews for a long time. Bad reviews in a "weird" way: it seems that people complain about the professionalism of this record!

Thanks again to Dick-eh for enticing-eh me-eh to try-eh that album-eh.  Diggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggy...


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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Jaco Pastorius with Material? I doubt this, but I will check this anyway.
About P.I.L.'s "Compact" (or "Album", or "Cassette" - depends on the format!), I wonder if it hadn't some bad reviews for a long time. Bad reviews in a "weird" way: it seems that people complain about the professionalism of this record!
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One of our local secondhand record shops filed a big section of Laswell's recordings under 'Dance' or 'Turntablism' - the latter tag will be a first hereBig smile.
 
 
Anybody mentioned the excellent and fascinating job he did marrying Johnny 'Rotten' Lyden with Steve Vai, Ginger Baker, Tony Williams etal. on PIL's Compact - the epitomy of 80's progressive music. Also curious about the amount of reciprocation between Laswell and Jonas Hellborg (also on one track of Compact) at the end of the 80's? BTW does one of those 80's Material albums have both Jaco Pastorius and Paul Butterfield together on perhaps their last recordings?
 
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.


After all, maybe Naked City and Painkiller should have their own entries?
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.
 
I'll make an effort to prepare a bio for the more dubious lisings in his discog.
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^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output.  That is what is required for evaluation.  Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.


...not trying to rabble-rouse or anything, but I'm just curious as to why this same measure hasn't been taken with John Zorn & his related projects such as Naked City, Painkiller, & Masada...


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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output.  That is what is required for evaluation.  Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.
 
I suppose Laswell's 2006 release Episome with Japanese giants Otomo Yoshihide of Ground Zero & Tatsuya Yoshida of Ruins would be a good starting place.
 


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Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output.  That is what is required for evaluation.  Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.
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No artist on this site has every album they played on listed in their discography. If added, Laswell would be no different. All the laswell albums would be on (duh), and I guess the different joint ventures that feature his name would be considered one by one.

Seperate band names in which Laswell was a member should not be added under his name.

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Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Please provide what you think is the best example of Laswell's work that would fit avant-prog.  I'll repost it in the team thread and we can re-visit.  Laswell has been brought up before and has been somewhat of a question mark.
 
Praxis, Massacre, Last Exit , & Painkiller are, IMO, Laswell's most avant projects.
 
I included several links to Praxis' music in the Praxis suggestion thread I started a while back.
 
 
Massacre, Laswell's project with Henry Cow's Fred Frith, is already included in the archives.
 
 
Last Exit & Painkiller, OTOH, can be heard at last.fm.
 
 


Well, I know Henry Plainview has been pushing for Last Exit to be included.  Problem is these seem to be separate bands that would have to be evaluated by themselves (e.g. Massacre already in the archives); how does one separate Laswell "solo" from these collaborative works?
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Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

My favorite Laswell, project, Arcana, fits best into jazz rock fusion



 

Material too ...have you heard Hallucination Engine? ...it's a fusion masterpiece! Approve 

 

If you're at all a fan of Weather Report & other world-influenced fusion acts then you'd be doing yourself an incredible disservice to miss that one!

 




Hallucination Engine is a great record, so is Speak No Evil, both are very somber, almost religious in a way.
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Points: 1085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

My favorite Laswell, project, Arcana, fits best into jazz rock fusion
 
Material too ...have you heard Hallucination Engine? ...it's a fusion masterpiece! Approve 
 
If you're at all a fan of Weather Report & other world-influenced fusion acts then you'd be doing yourself an incredible disservice to miss that one!
 


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My favorite Laswell, project, Arcana, fits best into jazz rock fusion, I think.  But I leave it to the Captain to make his case, when an artist is all over the place it's rather difficult.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Please provide what you think is the best example of Laswell's work that would fit avant-prog.  I'll repost it in the team thread and we can re-visit.  Laswell has been brought up before and has been somewhat of a question mark.
 
Praxis, Massacre, Last Exit , & Painkiller are, IMO, Laswell's most avant projects.
 
I included several links to Praxis' music in the Praxis suggestion thread I started a while back.
 
 
Massacre, Laswell's project with Henry Cow's Fred Frith, is already included in the archives.
 
 
Last Exit & Painkiller, OTOH, can be heard at last.fm.
 
 


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Please provide what you think is the best example of Laswell's work that would fit avant-prog.  I'll repost it in the team thread and we can re-visit.  Laswell has been brought up before and has been somewhat of a question mark.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I pretty much think we'll have to cut deep into the collaborations section.

So what's Bill's main solo output.
 
Laswell's solo work is all over the place where genre is concerned, but I particularly love the jazziness of Invisible Design.
 
He is mailny known for his work with Material (e.g. Hallucination Engine), Praxis (e.g. Transmutation), & Tabla Beat Science (e.g. Tala Matrix).
 
 


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