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oliverstoned 
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 Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:46 |
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...and among the first to mix indian, classical and experimental influences with rock.
That makes a lot!
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yarstruly
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:37 |
 con safo wrote:
They definitely deserve their place in the archives. They were one of the original 'pioneers' of prog, and although they may not be playing mellotrons or moogs, they have alot of aspects of the genre in their music. Without them i dont think prog could have gotten as big as its been, or even exist !
Their early albums are quite boring, but anything after Rubber Soul is nirvana.
YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually they did use mellotrons (Strawberry Fields Forever) & Moogs (Various Abbey Road Tunes)...they were among the 1st to use either...
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walrus
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:59 |
Please welcome.. the Queen of Kekeland......
In my point of view, the Beatles still today, are the one of the most progressives groups in world music. even more than almost all the bands in the archives...But they didnt made prog music.
If the Beatles deserve been in the archives is a personal subject..
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you and whose army?
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Peter
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:47 |
Can o' worms....
No, unless/until the Archives formally expands its focus to include such "influenced prog, prog-like, liked by prog fans and/or small "p" progressive," etc artists.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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philippe
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:38 |
Are you crazy??  IF THE BEATLES ARE PROG, I'M THE QUEEN OF KEKELAND!! 
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Joren
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:14 |
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Friamannen
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:59 |
Chris_McGowan wrote:
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Agree totally with you. Especially the part about people only synonymizing "progressive rock" with "symphonic rock".
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con safo
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:43 |
They definitely deserve their place in the archives. They were one of the original 'pioneers' of prog, and although they may not be playing mellotrons or moogs, they have alot of aspects of the genre in their music. Without them i dont think prog could have gotten as big as its been, or even exist !
Their early albums are quite boring, but anything after Rubber Soul is nirvana.
YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gloryscene
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:24 |
My view is the Beatles were heavily influential to many bands and still are today and i guess any innovative, forward thinking music is progressive in it's own way. BUT i just can't get my head around grouping them within the same vein as Yes, Genesis, ELP, Camel, Rush etc.
But then there are so many different types of bands recognised on this site where do you start to draw the line and should one been drawn in the first place??!?
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Jaja Brasil
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:07 |
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Hi Guys...
I am a Beatle Fan. To me they are the best ever group !!!
They influenced a lot of Groups and musicians.
Sometimes I talk about them here, but I don't think the're progressive, and this is a Prog Forum, isn't it ???
Best greetings...
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yarstruly
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:34 |
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Definitely an influence & inspiration! Prog to me from Relayer (or even half of Rubber Soul) onward....
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 10:23 |
Chris_McGowan wrote:
First of all, to marktheshark, I want to let you know that the phrase
"bust a nut" usually means the same as "getting your rocks off", or, in
plainest terms, to ejaculate. The phrase you were searching for
was, I'm guessing, "busted a gut".
Anyway, regarding the issue of the Beatles' inclusion within the canon of progressive rock bands...
Progressive rock has come to be an umbrella term for various genres of music: art rock, symphonic, zeuhl, krautrock, etc.
Unfortunately, most people have come to identify the term "progressive
rock" exclusively with symphonic prog. This leads these people to
identify bands like Yes and Emerson, Lake & Palmer as progressive
rock, while maligning other truly progressive acts such as the Beatles, or
say, Dream Theater, which was also mentioned in this thread.
No one is arguing that the early Beatles era, producing songs such as
"I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days a Week", should be
recognized as progressive. Brilliant music in its own right, yes;
not progressive, however.
It is an unassailable fact, however, that the Beatles' later work, with
its unparalleled exploration of musical frontiers is by anyone's
definition, art rock or experimental. thus earning the Beatles a place
among other art rock bands on ProgArchives.
Of course, many progressive rock fans are loath to acknowledge the
Beatles as a progressive act since they are ubiquitous across so many
genres of music. Well, there's a reason that the Beatles are so
revered among most of the musical community; they explored and broke
down musical boundaries in so many ways that their influence over any
given genre of music is incalculable.
Given the Beatles' experimentalism and their willingness to stray from
the beaten path in a musical sense, it is not only reasonable to grant
them a place among bands such as Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd...it is petty and asinine *not* to include them.
And to all opposed: sounds like sour grapes to me.
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Oops on the nut phrase. You're right it was gut I mean't to use. Too many beers last night. As for everything else you said, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Progressive rock has been sub-divided into different genres. I can remember back in the late 70s when "new-wave" started hitting, people who didn't like that label were often referring it as progressive rock. I never really agreed with that, in fact I thought it was laughable (bust a GUT!). I couldn't see Talking Heads, Souxie and the Banshees etc as prog. Although there was some sort of meshing between the two such as Robert Fripp collaborating with Deborah Harry.
Edited by marktheshark
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 05:52 |
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Sgt Pepper anyone?????????????? what?
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firth_of_Fifth
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 05:38 |
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I've argued about this before. The Beatles should be added. Without a doubt. Even all their albums. If bands today could write an album nearly half as good as a hard days night...i'll eat my hat!
But I must also add, The zombies should also be added...In 1964 they released She's not there' The chord changes and musicianship is ahead of it's time by a few years. The music has a very classical feel. Then you hear an album like Odessy and Oracle. Simply one of thee best albums of all time.
What say anyone else? I mean If Argent can make the archives. Why can't The Zombies??
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:39 |
Respectfully spoken about in a special page, yes!
Reviewing all their albums maybe not! But from Revolver onwards, I would recommend (if need be ) that every proghead listens to those album!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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ProgRockerJDS
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:38 |
Chris_McGowan wrote:
First of all, to marktheshark, I want to let you know that the phrase "bust a nut" usually means the same as "getting your rocks off", or, in plainest terms, to ejaculate. The phrase you were searching for was, I'm guessing, "busted a gut".
Anyway, regarding the issue of the Beatles' inclusion within the canon of progressive rock bands...
Progressive rock has come to be an umbrella term for various genres of music: art rock, symphonic, zeuhl, krautrock, etc.
Unfortunately, most people have come to identify the term "progressive rock" exclusively with symphonic prog. This leads these people to identify bands like Yes and Emerson, Lake & Palmer as progressive rock, while maligning other truly progressive acts such as the Beatles, or say, Dream Theater, which was also mentioned in this thread.
No one is arguing that the early Beatles era, producing songs such as "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days a Week", should be recognized as progressive. Brilliant music in its own right, yes; not progressive, however.
It is an unassailable fact, however, that the Beatles' later work, with its unparalleled exploration of musical frontiers is by anyone's definition, art rock or experimental. thus earning the Beatles a place among other art rock bands on ProgArchives.
Of course, many progressive rock fans are loath to acknowledge the Beatles as a progressive act since they are ubiquitous across so many genres of music. Well, there's a reason that the Beatles are so revered among most of the musical community; they explored and broke down musical boundaries in so many ways that their influence over any given genre of music is incalculable.
Given the Beatles' experimentalism and their willingness to stray from the beaten path in a musical sense, it is not only reasonable to grant them a place among bands such as Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd...it is petty and asinine *not* to include them.
And to all opposed: sounds like sour grapes to me.
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 Brilliant post! I agree with everything you've said, and I also concur that The Beatles later works(most specifically Magical Mystery Tour and Abbey Road) deserve to be in the archives.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:24 |
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Yes Karny I reckon they are not 100%Prog but should be added for obvious reasons. Sgt. Pepper anyone?
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 04:11 |
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Ok sour grape #1 Beatles.....no
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Chris_McGowan
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 03:07 |
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First of all, to marktheshark, I want to let you know that the phrase
"bust a nut" usually means the same as "getting your rocks off", or, in
plainest terms, to ejaculate. The phrase you were searching for
was, I'm guessing, "busted a gut".
Anyway, regarding the issue of the Beatles' inclusion within the canon of progressive rock bands...
Progressive rock has come to be an umbrella term for various genres of music: art rock, symphonic, zeuhl, krautrock, etc.
Unfortunately, most people have come to identify the term "progressive
rock" exclusively with symphonic prog. This leads these people to
identify bands like Yes and Emerson, Lake & Palmer as progressive
rock, while maligning other truly progressive acts such as the Beatles, or
say, Dream Theater, which was also mentioned in this thread.
No one is arguing that the early Beatles era, producing songs such as
"I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days a Week", should be
recognized as progressive. Brilliant music in its own right, yes;
not progressive, however.
It is an unassailable fact, however, that the Beatles' later work, with
its unparalleled exploration of musical frontiers is by anyone's
definition, art rock or experimental. thus earning the Beatles a place
among other art rock bands on ProgArchives.
Of course, many progressive rock fans are loath to acknowledge the
Beatles as a progressive act since they are ubiquitous across so many
genres of music. Well, there's a reason that the Beatles are so
revered among most of the musical community; they explored and broke
down musical boundaries in so many ways that their influence over any
given genre of music is incalculable.
Given the Beatles' experimentalism and their willingness to stray from
the beaten path in a musical sense, it is not only reasonable to grant
them a place among bands such as Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd...it is petty and asinine *not* to include them.
And to all opposed: sounds like sour grapes to me.
Edited by Chris_McGowan
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 01:21 |
marktheshark wrote:
Karnevil9 wrote:
Useful_Idiot wrote:
Haven't we done this before about 10 million times? |
Yes we have & im getting tired of it too
Lets hope this pole seales the coffin
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Well, I'm new here and I missed out in the earlier debates on this. Glad you put this poll in Karny. This should wrap it up. I about busted a nut laughing when I saw your post on the influence poll starting off with "Here we go again!" Making me feel like I'm reopening old wounds, huh? |
Well welcome to the forum anyway...Youll bust more than a nut on here i'll tell you..It's bloody hard work sometimes.
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