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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 09:11 | ||
Sorry, but I don't think that's true. The left hand does the main work on a right-handed guitar ... the right hand merely plucks the strings (apart from special techniques like tapping). The left hand is the one which you consciously move, the right hand acts automatically - at least that's how it should be. I remember my guitar lessons well ... it's even forbidden to look at your right hand while playing. All the focus is on the left hand, except when the right hand is used for tapping or some special effects (vibrato bar etc). |
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St.Cleve Chronicle
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 08:58 | ||
Okay, neither of the hands really does more work, that was a bit clumsily said. But my point is, that when people say that the right-handed techniques should actually be natural for lefties, then the left-handed techniques should also be natural for those who are right-handed. There are many different opinions, but I think that learning to play guitar shouldn't be made more difficult for lefties than the righties.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 08:35 | ||
No hand does more work than the other really.
Just like any stringed instrument, you need to be able to synchronize the movements between both hands. The fact is, you have to learn to be able to do it if you want to be able to play with any reasonable amount of technique. My right hand is my dominant hand, but if you look at the first page of this thread, I give a link explaining how my left hand actually developed faster than my right in accuracy. |
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St.Cleve Chronicle
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 08:26 | ||
It is true that the left hand does more work when playing right-handed, but in that case shouldn't the right-handed people use lefty guitars? Guitar is indeed played with two hands, but their task is different, unlike with piano and some other instruments. From that reason, I'm able to play absolutely normal keyboards, but I need a left-handed guitar. There are people who have learned to play the right-handed way (Gary Moore, Robert Fripp, Steve Morse...) but most people are not capable of doing that. I think that every musician should have the right to play the way they feel natural. Even if that hasn't been possible for centuries.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 08:10 | ||
^ that may be true ... nevertheless I think that left handed people should first start with a normal guitar and see how that turns out. Remember: you need both hands to play guitar. I haven't seen any left handed pianos yet, but still most left handed pianists do great on normal pianos. Technically, from the standpoint of which hand does the more complex stuff, right-handed people should play left-handed guitars.
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cobb2
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 07:58 | ||
MikeEn- Perhaps it is to do with the left and right sides of the brain, not the fact that they are left-handed that some people have enormous difficulty (left-handers) playing a right-handed guitar. You seem to be a creative person- musically, anyway, so the right side, the creative side, of your brain is fairly active. This may be why you have no difficulty playing right-handed when you are a lefty, but other (dare I say, less creative) people do. It may be conceited of me, but this is the reason I have come to think that I have no difficulty playing in the wrong hand. I have taught classical guitar and know that most lefties cannot change hands- even when they are just beginning. Just food for thought, or total crap- one of the two. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 04:05 | ||
I think that any left handed person is able to play a standard guitar ... without any problems, and as expressive and natural as they would be able to play a left handed guitar. The problem is only in the head of those people ... if they think that they can only play a left handed guitar, that's how it will be.
Let me remind you again that I am left handed (I write using the left hand, the computer mouse is to the right of my keyboard), but I've always been playing a normal guitar. It never even occurred to me - back when I started playing the guitar - to try a left handed guitar. For two obvious reasons: 1. Playing the guitar is something which you need two hands for, just like playing the piano and keyboards. 2. On the normal (right-handed) guitar the left hand usually does the more complicated tasks. So: If you're left handed and you want to play guitar ... try to get this thought out of your head that you can't use stuff designed for right handed people. |
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clarke2001
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 03:47 | ||
Very true. It often happened someone grabs my guitar (without asking), placing it on a hip, staring for a second, and after a "What...but...er..oh." puts it back. |
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cobb2
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Posted: August 22 2008 at 02:03 | ||
Further to oddities in playing- has anybody seen that Roger Waters DVD with Snowy White and the other guitarist. The other guitarist is playing left-handed, but the guitar is strung correctly for right handed and all his chords and finger configurations are played upside down. Talk about learning the hard way. The guitar has been custom built because the volume and tone controls are on the bottom. I am right handed, but some thirty years ago my sister got the guitar lessons (she was lefty) and I did the practice- henceforth to this day I play left-handed. Swapping the strings on a cheap nylon string classical will make no difference- as stated above, but there are major problems on an expensive guitar that has been built correctly with the slope on the neck etc. There are a couple of downsides to being lefty- Guitars prices are usually 10% more and you will usually have to order it and two, you can't just pick up a guitar lying around and show-off your stuff. Upside- you can leave your guitar on the stand at a gig and no-one will come and pick it up to show you how much better they can play it. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 21 2008 at 14:17 | ||
Indeed thank you Trademark, I remember I just couldn't be bothered to argue with that point raised, because it was laughable at best. (not your point Trademark, the one you replied to).
I don't mean to sound like a.. well... meanie, but I don't think people should blatantly put forward comments on things they are not really educated on. Because in the case of just telling a potentially left hand player to "Just string the guitar up the other way round and turn it around, and you have a left-handed guitar. No need to buy one", that can at the serious detriment to the person you are giving 'advice' to. I don't say things like " it's not really as simple as that" because I'm a retard and don't have any clue. If something "is not really as simple as that" it should imply there is obviously greater complexities one should take to the time to research and to see what is actually correct and less likely to cause problems for ones self or others. The problems are obviously less for an electric guitar, but again, it's much easier to save the pain of potential hassles like bridge saddles not being able to correctly intonate to compensate for the fact you now have the heavy gauge strings at the side of the guitar and buy "the right tool for the job" in the first place.^Indeed thank you Trademark, I remember I just couldn't be bothered to argue with that point raised, because it was laughable at best. (not your point Trademark, the one you replied to). I don't mean to sound like a.. well... meanie, but I don't think people should blatantly put forward comments on things they are not really educated on. Because in the case of just telling a potentially left hand player to "Just string the guitar up the other way round and turn it around, and you have a left-handed guitar. No need to buy one", that can at the serious detriment to the person you are giving 'advice' to. I don't say things like " it's not really as simple as that" because I'm a retard and don't have any clue. If something "is not really as simple as that" it should imply there is obviously greater complexities one should take to the time to research and to see what is actually correct and less likely to cause problems for ones self or others. The problems are obviously less for an electric guitar, but again, it's much easier to save the pain of potential hassles like bridge saddles not being able to correctly intonate to compensate for the fact you now have the heavy gauge strings at the side of the guitar and buy "the right tool for the job" in the first place. And yes, you can actually buy left handed violins, but they are not common. Edited by HughesJB4 - August 21 2008 at 14:18 |
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: August 21 2008 at 14:09 | ||
I've been surprised and entertained by some of the opinions expressed on this subject. Just to show that it takes all kinds to make music, here's a few oddities worth checking out: Paul Bibbins, right-handed but plays a left-handed guitar. A Jimi fan (big surprise) Wesley Tuttle, a 40's country musician who learned to play a left-handed guitar after losing three fingers on his left hand in an accident.
Bob Geldof, who appears to be playing a right-handed guitar upside down.
Takes all kinds I guess....
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Trademark
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Posted: August 21 2008 at 13:48 | ||
If you don't mind never being able to play in tune this might just work fine. Unfortunately, in real life this simply doesn't work. On any guitar no two strings are actually the same length. The bridge of the instrument is placed at an angle and the saddles are filed to "fine tune" the string length. It is these small differences in the overall length of each string (due in part to the differences in diameter and tension) that allow the instrument to play in tune. The wound strings (especially the low E and A) need to be longer than the plain strings in order for the instrument to be tuned in the equal temperament manner that the precisely placed frets offer. If you just re-string "upside down" It is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the guitar to play in tune over the length of the fretboard. The bridge is glued in place and cannot be flipped over to work properly. As a matter of actiual fact you couldn't even get an E and G chord to both sound in tune in first position alone, much less any two chords anywhere up the neck. This is in addition to the fact that the heavy wound strings would not sit in the slots in the string nut. Re-filing the nut is a relatively simle thing to do, but it cannot change the placement and angle of the bridge saddle. An acoustic guitar (more-so than an electric due to the positioning of the braces under the top to promote a clear balanced tone) must be built specifically for left-handed players in order to play in tune, conversion doesn't work. Edited by Trademark - August 21 2008 at 13:55 |
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Trademark
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Posted: August 21 2008 at 13:29 | ||
This has me intrigued. I think I'll build myself a left-handed piano and a left-handed trumpet and violin to see if it makes a difference too. The guitar is the only instrument I know of that offers a "lefty" version. Kit drummers often set up "backwards" but there are no left-handed mallet instruments that I have ever seen and no one takes the orchestral chimes apart and puts them together backwards for the local southpaw percussionist. Even the orchestral stringed instruments (violin, viola, cello, bass) are never built special for lefties. You learn to play the way the instrument is designed to be played. If it really is better, then why after all these centuries....
Edited by Trademark - August 21 2008 at 13:57 |
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St.Cleve Chronicle
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Posted: August 21 2008 at 10:48 | ||
I have tried playing my dad's right-handed guitar a couple of times and I couldn't even get Smoke on the water right! I consider myself to be quite skilled player. If you are right-handed, and think that the lefties should learn the "proper" technique, why don't you try to play a left-hand guitar. Difficult, isn't it?
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JLocke
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 18:26 | ||
Meh . . . if you ask me, he's making a mistake, but then again, Hendrix didn't let the lack of lefty guitars stop him from playing what he wanted. But that was Hendrix: the man could have been playing a crappy firstact and still made it sound like silk. My point is that, with right-handed guitars, you get better quality and more quantity for your money. No worries, though; most lefties go the extra mile as well; I just think it's unnecessary. However, being right-handed, I know not.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 14:20 | ||
I play both keyboards and guitar, and when I compare both I have to say that on the (right-handed) guitar the left hand leads ... it does the main job, the right hand is only picking the strings. Of course you can play a left hand guitar ... go right ahead. I'm just saying that in the end it is simply a question of what you're able to get accustomed to. |
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 14:09 | ||
This guy doesnt looks like he have any problem too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXKYOJ5xeTM&feature=related |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 08:39 | ||
With an acoustic guitar it is; I have done it myself. |
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 08:21 | ||
Of course (he says, clearly missing the point of the question). |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 18 2008 at 07:54 | ||
Surely you realise that with a left-hand guitar you hold the neck and fretboard in the *right* hand ... |
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