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Badabec 
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Joined: November 14 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1313 |
 Posted: September 19 2006 at 13:27 |
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Gentle Giant's "Aquiring The Taste" is very, very dark in my opinion.
And King Crimson's "Red" either. |
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Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela
E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
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BaldJean
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Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 13:22 |
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if you give me the track durations I can tell you whether you have the vinyl or the CD version |
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 11:36 |
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the answer is here:
"Their only album was recorded inside the great pyramid and deals with ancient Egyptian mythology. It is rather meditative with the flute of Nik Turner being predominant; lots of synthesizers and spacey guitar and vocoder. The album gets rockier towards the end, but don't expect any crashing guitars like HAWKWIND. For any fan of the psychedelic branch of prog this is an absolute must album.
Unfortunately it does only exist in a vinyl version; a 1994 CD-issue of Nik Turner of the same name includes the same lyrics, but completely different music! Not a bad album, but fades in comparison to the vinyl." my concern was that since I had it on a Russian mp3 CD, I wasn't sure which version I really had... Russians are known to have converted vinyl-only albums to mp3 as well; I have a copy of No Earthly Connection (actually even two different copies: Music Reincarnate in a single piece in one, broken down in the other!!!) btw, another partly dark album eh
 ?What doubts me most is that the music in my mp3 CD is exactly as described above! btw, I'll be happy if someone informs me of what exactly do I have
 ... I can give the track durations and more detailed info if needed... (besides, what Russians put inside the CD as the album cover is completely different than that featured in PA... it has a picture of Sphynx with some UFO's flying around...) |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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babydoctor
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Joined: September 05 2006 Status: Offline Points: 45 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 10:32 |
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I concur. No contest!! |
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babydoctor
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Joined: September 05 2006 Status: Offline Points: 45 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 10:26 |
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So is _Xitintoday_ currently available on CD or not?! If so, I must have it!!! BTW, Brainticket's Celestial Ocean...good one. Edited by babydoctor - September 19 2006 at 10:27 |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:40 |
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oh please... even children may understand that "same" comes to mean "self-titled" (possibly debut) album! of course, he shouldn't have written that way... Besides, you seem to have missed Faust: it's also "same"!!!
Now I'll ask you what the heck this means!!!
I shall agree here, indeed, with the exception to note that 666 and In Camera are really dark: listen to "Capture of the Beast" and the surrounding titles in 666, and "Gog Magog" in In Camera! what more do you find dark?!?!?
Also, you may be right about Pawn Hearts' "undarkness" only in terms of lyrics... Musically, I don't recall any darker VdGG album, really.
I don't know what to vote, either Edited by Bilek - September 19 2006 at 08:42 |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:27 |
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Nice one (though I'm not sure which version I have.... I have it in mp3, probably ripped from the newer CD version, but the sound is so '70's.... anway)
Speaking of which, reminds me of Brainticket's Clestial Ocean, which deals more or less with the same subject. Pretty dark too... I think that should also have been in the list...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 08:25 |
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It's a tough list, even through the ones I already know... I don't have Ash Ra's debut (apart from a short sample DL'ed from their site, which doesn't tell anything at all), also most of the Canterbury-RIO + some of the Italian albums in the list...
I don't think Pierrot Lunaire album would qualify as "dark" anyway... It sounds more of a "weird" to me! (not in the negative sense
 )If Animals is dark, I wonder what you'd call Saucerful of Secrets or Ummaguma (I know, they are actually '60's albums!
) even The Wall sounds darker to me! |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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BaldJean
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Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:50 |
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at least "Fairy Tales" is mindblowing; 5 stars all the way. "Green" is excellent, but I would not quite put it up there; a solid 4 star album though. "New Jerusalem" would get 3 stars from me. no idea why you don't like "Fairy Tales", Oliver; Didier Malherbe's performance alone on this album is already worth 5 stars. perhaps the album is not "spacey" enough for you (although I consider it to be VERY spacey; try to lose yourself in these fairy tales, which are so excellently accompanied by the music). "Xitintoday" is definitely up your alley though; completely spaced out |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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oliverstoned
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:38 |
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Indeed, these descriptionss are mouth watering, except maybe the references given by Mr Ozric: "Along with Steve Hillage's 'Green', Tim Blake's 'New Jerusalem' and Mother Gong's 'Fairy Tales', Xitintoday is a MUST HAVE" --->three albums which are not so mind blowing IMO. Is this comparison really fair? Edited by oliverstoned - September 19 2006 at 03:39 |
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BaldJean
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Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:34 |
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I'll go along with Friede and vote for "Xitintoday". very dark album; you can't go any darker than a trip to the ancient Egyptian underworld. highly recommended album, but unfortunately only available on vinyl and a real rarity. have a look at these reviews, one by me and the other just recently added by Tom Ozric (nice to know someone else knows and loves this album):
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=40870 http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=89602 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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R o V e R
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Joined: July 13 2005 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 2747 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 03:10 |
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same with me |
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The Whistler
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Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113 |
Posted: September 19 2006 at 02:50 |
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Ugh! My main guys, Minstrel in the Gallery and Wish You Were Here? Where's they? I don't have either of their replacements...Passion Play 'n Animals (respectively). Reckon I'd best to purchase those. |
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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babydoctor
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Joined: September 05 2006 Status: Offline Points: 45 |
Posted: September 18 2006 at 19:02 |
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Like what?
Far East Family Band is the only Asian 70's prog band I know. Their
atmospheres are often lovely and seductive but not all that dark.
Now...if you are referring to frightening music like "The Heat of the
Moment" and "Only Time Will Tell", that's the wrong decade, silly! |
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babydoctor
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Joined: September 05 2006 Status: Offline Points: 45 |
Posted: September 18 2006 at 18:50 |
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I just realized that no one mentioned Arachnoid. Allow me: "Arachnoid
should be on any list of dark 70's prog." Okay, that's better.
Glad someone finally voted for Jacula. You can't go wrong with gothic church organ. |
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Uroboros
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Joined: February 25 2006 Location: Oxford Status: Offline Points: 912 |
Posted: September 18 2006 at 18:26 |
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I voted for Univers Zero, but I've yet to hear some of them.
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Tous les chemins
qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
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Forgotten Son
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Joined: March 13 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1356 |
Posted: September 18 2006 at 16:15 |
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A three-way tie between Comus' First Utterance, Il Balletto Di Bronzo's YS and Jacula's Tardo Pede in Magiam Versus. Pawn Hearts was the first to leap out at me, but upon closer inspection I noticed these three albums. In the end I voted for Tardo Pede in Magiam Versus, which inexplicably no one else had voted for.
Great choices, BTW. |
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salmacis
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Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
Posted: September 18 2006 at 15:49 |
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'666' for me. It's maybe the definitive prog double album to these ears- certainly there's nothing that sounds like this in the slightest. It's thrillingly dark, the production and eerie voices, plus various warped melodies and creepy vocal/keyboard interludes make for a staggeringly bleak listen.
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babydoctor
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Posted: September 18 2006 at 08:36 |
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Oh yeah!! This is my territory!! [Excitedly jots down the four albums not yet heard.]
I like creative dark music across genres--and sometimes tire of searching for it amongst the "sunny and lighthearted" products. This is a great list for 70's prog. (Although, as someone mentioned, Island: Pictures should be on the list, perhaps in place of 666.) Heresie is plenty dark, but I've never thought it as dark as people say...maybe I had just built up my hopes too much from the start. IMO, Can's "Aumgn" is a scarier piece of prog, and Ys is more evil. First Utterance is twisted and deranged album--and very, very good. A tempting choice. However, if darkness is taken strictly as the absence of light...as in cold, distant space, we are much closer to the territory of Irrlicht and Alpha Centauri--or, perhaps the most desolate of all, Zeit. On the other hand, chosing an ambient album as a dark *prog* masterpiece is not really fair, since bleak sonicscapes is indeed the raison d'etre (pun intended) of dark ambient. If I were trying to convince someone familiar with Yes, Genesis, and ELP that prog can, in fact, be dark, I suppose I would select Pawn Hearts and the Crimson trilogy Larks Tongues..., Starless..., and Red. Both VdGG and KC could evoke darkness (and madness) through beauty and chaos, both very tastefully. Animals is not a happy album to say the least, but Floyd is almost too likable, not as musically disturbing as any of the above--but then there is no reason that dark must imply difficult. In Camera is a pet favorite (with Silent Corner close behind), dark in a sexy, existential sort of way...but neither the darkest nor very much prog. MDK...now, I never figured out what made that one so dark--but it is one of the most annoying things I've ever heard, and I respect Magma for that! Ah...I'm still stumped. So much good music, so many colors of darkness. The only clear winner is this poll.  |
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BaldFriede
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Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
Posted: September 17 2006 at 08:05 |
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Maybe "Xitintoday" by Nik Turner's Sphynx, an album about the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
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Bilek wrote:
, I saw Animals' not dark, Pawn Hearts' not darkest of VdGG, A Passion Play isn't dark, 666's not dark, In Camera's not dark enough. 