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Poll Question: should Jimi Hendrix be in Progarchives (Proto-prog)?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2006 at 06:46
I wouldn't mind seeing Jimi Hendrix and also Cream in proto prog, as they both developed psychedelia, and thus evolved the birth of progressive rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2006 at 06:22
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

If, then he would need his own genre, "Blues Prog" together with "Cream", "Iron Butterfly" and others...

    

Yes, we could create a lof of sub genres in proto-prog, and so we could include Hendrix into psyche blues-rock or prog blues, Jefferson in "US psyche", etc...that would open the door to even more bands.
 
I'd see nothing wrong with that, but please drop that offensive Proto crap... that was mainly designed for the inclusion of the Beatles. I will never agree with such humiliating description to a number of other leading artists.
 
Hendrix was and is still Prog. Not Proto bullsh*t! Blues aside.... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2006 at 05:58
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Indeed, after adding progressive pop like The Beatles this site should add the late guitar genius Jimi Hendrix. His influence on the progrock guitarists is more substantial than the influence by The Beatles on progrock bands (the main reason for Chief M@X to add The Beatles to this site) so a big hand for Jimi on Prog Archives, Electric Ladyland rules Clap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
So does "Band of Gypsies"! . That album was also truly revolutionary ie: progressive and would deserve wider acceptance.
 
Including Hendrix is "make, or brake" for the Archives reputation as a genuine Prog site - as opposed to a well designed website that promotes preferred Prog artists and Neo-Prog wannabees.
Not forgetting that the much accepted Prog-Metal wouldn't exist without the inspiration Hendrix provided. Still, no-one has been able to successfully copy him, only coming close at times. 
Not likely to be Proto in that sense..., but the real article to this day. 
 
Think about it...  
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2006 at 16:07
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry
 
De acordo! Smile

 
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Edited by Bilek - October 29 2006 at 16:10
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2006 at 16:06
Originally posted by Philйas Philйas wrote:

"I would say"

Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles.
 
Hmm... could "Hey Joe", covered by the newly born Deep Purple be an evidence Ermm...? Well; you can come up with two other Beatles songs DP also covered (around the same time!); but there might be more...
 
Apart from covers, Hendrix Experience was certainly a "psychedelic" band, and the effects of psychedelia over prog rock cannot be denied. I'd say "yes", to the extent that other bands are involved; so far Jefferson Airplane, Iron Butterfly and Beatles (despite all their poppines before '65) are here, so why not Jimi!?!? (also, why not for The Doors, The Who, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Grateful Dead, et al. either!)
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2006 at 07:48
Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

I voted Yes, as proto-prog, but be aware:
 
If he is ever admitted in PA, chances are that the forum members and others would start adding enourmous number of compilations, live, semi-legal ottakes etc. Hendrix albums, while he officially released only five: (Are You Experienced, Axis:Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland with JHE trio, Band of Gypsys with the same trio and Cry of Love as solo).Ermm


Actually, there have been many more official releases lately, such as rarities compilations and a couple of live discs, but there are still tons more rubbish out there, sadly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2006 at 05:52
I voted Yes, as proto-prog, but be aware:
 
If he is ever admitted in PA, chances are that the forum members and others would start adding enourmous number of compilations, live, semi-legal ottakes etc. Hendrix albums, while he officially released only five: (Are You Experienced, Axis:Bold as Love and Electric Ladyland with JHE trio, Band of Gypsys with the same trio and Cry of Love as solo).Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 19:23
"I would say"

Well, obviously, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I won't accept that Jimi Hendrix was a big influence on Prog, until I have solid proof that he was. I have never heard enough Hendrix influence in any prog song to justify his inclusion on this site as Proto-Prog, so I'm wondering how this person can say that Hendrix started the Prog movement. I'm also curious how he can consider Hendrix more influential to prog than The Beatles.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 16:57
i took this from this page.
 

The development of Progressive Rock Music

Written by Lucas BIELA

The development of Progressive Rock Music, a difficult task

Late 60s and beginning of the 70s
I would say it all began with psychedelic music, i.e. essentially Jimi Hendrix and earlier PINK FLOYD (all their stuff with Syd Barrett). Some people say that The BEATLES also had a contribution to the prog movement). Then came bands such as KING CRIMSON and YES at the end of the sixties......
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2006 at 01:35
I need to find out more about Hendrix, I used to own his greatist hits but I don't think thats  enough.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2006 at 10:03
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry


No. Equally bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:18
Maybe in the future we could have a rock/metal/blues genre?
Then we could accept Hendrix, Rainbow...OK...OK.....it will never happen <img


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:13
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry
 
De acordo! Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:09
Better than all those vague folk, electronic, metal and progpop bands of the previous months .. Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 19:06
Perhaps he was progressive as a Blues guitarist, but I standby my opinion that he hasn't had a sufficient influence on Prog to be included as Proto-Prog. Like I said though, he'd fit in a Progressive Blues category, but since we don't have such a category yet, I think it's better to leave him off the site completely. We can't have all the Psychedelic bands and artists of the late '60s here, can we?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 13:35

Oh, just a blues gitarist with an edge? I can remember me an album Electric Ladyland on which he blends several styles, above that he has played not only blues but also rock, psychedelia and some great varied work on the acoustic guitar Thumbs Up !

In my opinion Jimi Hendrix was already 'progressive minded' in his mother's womb Wink !



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:26
Absolutely not, Hendrix was built off of show styles that musicians have little appreciation for.  Hendrix never did anything that was "progressive" he was just a blues guitarist with an edge.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:22
Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

I think the whole debate boils down to
1 Being Progressive
2 Playing Progressive music
 
Hendrix was Progressive in the way he changed guitar playing, but then so was Eddie Van Halen when he introduced two hand tapping to the masses.
 
But both of them didn´t really play Progressive music.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:47
I think the whole debate boils down to
1 Being Progressive
2 Playing Progressive music
 
Hendrix was Progressive in the way he changed guitar playing, but then so was Eddie Van Halen when he introduced two hand tapping to the masses.
 
But both of them didn´t really play Progressive music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:25
Originally posted by User123abc User123abc wrote:

Anyone remember Robert Fripp saying that he imagined King Crimson to be 'what Hendrix would sound like playing Bartok.' Hard to say there wasn't some influence.


That's not influence, that's just a comparison Rober Fripp made between his and Hendrix's music. He didn't mention being influenced by Hendrix, and I don't hear much Hendrix influence in his music anyway.

Originally posted by Progressive?? Progressive?? wrote:

There is a book about progressive rock (I don´t remeber the name) that said trhat Jimi's music was a really important part in the foundation of Progressive rock. In fact, Jimi was part of what in that book was called: "first wave", along with Procol Harum, the nice, and others

Do try to find out the name of that book, I'd be very interesting to read it.

As far as I know, no one considered Hendrix to be part of the early Progressive Rock movement during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Hendrix played Psychedelic Rock and Electric Blues. I can accept him being called a "Progressive Blues" artist, but not a Progressive Rock one. I accept that he might have had some influence on Prog, but as far as I can hear when I listen through the classic Prog records, there isn't enough of Hendrix in there to justify his inclusion as a Proto-Prog artist on this site.

Again, if we ever were to have a Progressive Blues category on this site, I'd accept his introduction into it. However, as we don't yet have that category, I think that Jimi Hendrix should be left out until it's implemented.
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