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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 23:37

My two cents worth:

I generally agree with VB (hope I can call you that!).  I would, however, support Peter's comment that I (and he, and probably others) would like to review many of the more "obscure" bands/albums, but have no access to them unless Max is able to provide downloads (which he graciously does whenever he can).  When Max is able to do so, Peter and I (and other "official" reviewers) do tend to try to review them.  For example, Max learned of my fondness for Italian symphonic prog (e.g., Deus ex Machina) and provided quite a number of downloads of both slightly lesser-known Italian and lesser-known European prog bands, all of which I reviewed - happily - and will continue to do so.  Indeed, I have tried to review every downloadable album that "caught my fancy" for any reason, which most of them do.

That said, I also support Peter's comment that - although it is true, as VB says, that many "canon" albums are "reviewed to death" - it is nevertheless important that "newbies" get a sense of the "history" of prog vis-a-vis the classic bands and albums.  And as "official" reviewers, Peter and I (and others) have something of a "moral obligation" to provide insightful, cogent reviews - lengthy if required - of these albums.  Because, hopefully, "official" reviewers are "official" because they have a greater sense of history (most of us are a bit "older"...), a greater command of the language, and (again hopefully) write insightful, cogent reviews.

Like Peter, while I would certainly like to be able to, I have neither the time nor the finances to buy lots of new (i.e., old) CDs of prog bands so I can review them.  In this regard, I (and I'm sure Peter, and maybe others, will join me) will ask Max that the next time he updates the download list, all of the bands he adds are lesser-known, or downright obscure.  This way, at least the "official" reviewers will have a chance to review some of them.  VB: can you provide us with a "wish list" of bands/albums in this regard?  At least it will be a start.

All of that said, anyone else reading this thread should take VB's general comment to heart: if you have access to albums of some of the more obscure (or at least lesser-reviewed) bands on this site, please try to see your way clear to providing reviews (as insightful and cogent as possible...) of them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 19:42

Yes, Vibe, you are right. Some music gets all the attention. Short and Sweet? it's all in the message. I've read some LONG reviews I found interesting, which swayed my reason to actually purchase a disc from a band I was unfamiliar with.  If this website recieved a pitiance from the record companies for successful reviews, I'd have something here named after me. Anyway....What really irks me is those who POP in to give a recording a   low rating but don't offer a reason why they thought it to be a poor recording. Frustrating. Grow up, if you're going to rate it, review it.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 18:00
Whoa! I think I struck a nerve with somebody here! I wasn`t attacking anybody personally here just making an observation, a  comment! I was just pointing out that certain albums have had the crap reviewed out of them (not only on this site but ever since they were released). I was only using Greenslade as an example of the many great prog bands whose work has been overlooked in the reviews section of this site. That`s all. I fail to see how what I wrote insults anyone`s writing. I guess if people start taking this TOO seriously we should just stick to the basic " best prog this and best prog that" polls.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 15:13

 PS, Vibrationbaby: re keeping your "commentary short & sweet," again, read only the the reviews you want to (nothing over a few sentences, if you like) but please don't tell me how to write! It's MY hobby and MY creation, not yours!Angry

And guess what? I don't own any Greenslade albums!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 15:05

Ermm A valid point of view, Vibe. My aim in reviewing the "classics" is to introduce newer and younger listeners to the "canon," and to simply "go on record" as to my opinions of them. Also, not every older fan of, say, King crimson, will be familiar with the fine music of Tull or Gentle Giant.

We "Prog Reviewers" are reviewing more of the newer/obscure stuff these days (as we get to hear it) and anyway, sooner or later we'll run out of classics to review. We don't have infinite CD collections (nor, as a family man, can I afford to buy many new discs, alas) and can only write about discs that we've actually heard. We are not paid for our work, nor are we professional music critics, so when most of us review, say, CLOSE TO THE EDGE, it's for the first time (for us). I still have to review that particular masterpiece, and have been mentally composing a review of it for a few days now....

In any case, just read the reviews that interest you, and feel free to review any discs that you feel are neglected and worthy of notice.Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2004 at 14:46

I've been a frequent visitor to this web-site for almost a month now, participating in the forums and submitting the odd review. I find the site insightful, informative and even humourous at times. I've checked out other prog sites and find this one to be the best. Well designed, easy to navigate & somewhat more laid back than the others. The only other site I visit on a regular basis right now is the official KK site for "Fripp's Diary".( I don't know about you but i've just gotta know what Bob is up to on a day-to-day basis or else my life just wouldn't be complete.)

The first thing I do when I log into this site is head for the reviews. I think that it is universally agreed amongst "prog" afficianados that certain bands and recordings are quintessentials of the genre. eg. Court Of The Crimson King by King Crimson, Close To The Edge by Yes, Thick As A Brick by Jethro Tull etc. But I think that while there is no question that these bands are  undisputed "monsters of prog" there are many lesser known bands whose bios appear in the  archives which are neglected when it comes to the reviews. I don't submit reviews that often, but when I do I try to pick an album which has only a few or no reviews at all and try to keep the commentary short & sweet. And I also try to review recordings which are lesser known today, particularily to the younger users of this site who weren't around during prog's glory days back in the early 70's.

Check out the review (it wasn't mine) which recently appeared on the first Greenslade album. Excellent review. Full marks. It made me dig out my old Greenslade albums which I haven't listened to for over 15 years, but when you look in the archives, no reviews! This was a classic prog band if there ever was one complete with Roger Dean artwork and heavy keyboards!

My point here is that there are certain albums which have been as "over-reviewed as Stairway to Heaven has been overplayed on "classic rock" radio stations. Many lesser known prog bands have material which is just as good or even better than the heavy hitters. I've submitted a few such bands for inclusion in the archives and it's good to see Eiliff ( one of my favourite bands ever) and Octopus from Germany now represented.

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