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dralan 
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 Posted: July 25 2006 at 20:18 |
I think ultimatley it should be left up to the artist to have control over their own music. I think free downloads are a great way for an up and coming artist to get his work heard to a wide audience.
As was mentioned if I like something well enough I prefer to have the CD for my own collection.
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Bj-1
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 15:00 |
 The Wizard wrote:
In small doses for me. If the album is rare or expensive I'll download it. |
Same here. But I usually get the album eventually after that.
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:20 |
Philéas wrote:
As far as I know, it would be highly complicated and costly to program
a DRM system like that, and it would probably not pay off for Napster
in the long run. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt that such a
system is even possible to make...
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Well apparently they have.  I dont know, Mike.... The Napster deal sounds sort of enticing on the surface, but I just can't shake my (paranoid?) fear of DRM. I, too eventually buy the CDs of the albums I like, but until then the files I rip from others or from CD's in the radio library are unencumbered by magical digital voodoo.  honestly though, you make a good case for Napster, and I might try it... someday... when I'm sure I'll have a steady $10 in my bank account every month 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:16 |
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^ it's really quite simple. A DRM-encrypted file carries a licence, and Windows simply refuses to play the file if the licence says that it has expired. So everytime you play a DRM-encrypted file, the player analyses the licence and - if it is outdated - queries the licence server to find out if the licence has been renewed, or if it has expired.
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Philéas
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:13 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
Are Napster files free of DRM? I've
heard terrible tales about Napster, but I cant say that any of them are
true. I have heard that the files have DRM such that if you stop
your subscription and you haven't backed up the files on CD or
otherwise, they delete themselves. I have no idea how this would
work, it's just a scary tall tale I've heard.
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As far as I know, it would be highly complicated and costly to program
a DRM system like that, and it would probably not pay off for Napster
in the long run. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt that such a
system is even possible to make...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:08 |
^ maybe the Napster subscription model is too progressive for some people to understand ... I'll gladly try to explain: - It costs $10/month. - You can download most of their catalog as DRM-encrypted 192kbps WMA and listen to the tracks as often as you want. - Once you cancel the subscription the files simply cannot be played anymore. Why is this so great? Well, simply because for the price of one CD each month I can listen to a different album each day. Hell, I could listen to 10 new albums a day. Why is it no problem that the files cannot be played back once the subscription is cancelled? Well, simply because I buy the albums that I really like. So I only use the Napster subscription as an easy, legal and cheap way to listen to new albums extensively before I buy them. I usually buy 10 albums each month, so the extra $10 don't hurt my budget that much, considering that I save much money by being able to listen to the music that much before I decide to buy it.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 14:00 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
But the Napster subscription ... that's an entirely different model, and I can only recommend you all to give it a try.
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Are Napster files free of DRM? I've heard terrible tales about Napster, but I cant say that any of them are true. I have heard that the files have DRM such that if you stop your subscription and you haven't backed up the files on CD or otherwise, they delete themselves. I have no idea how this would work, it's just a scary tall tale I've heard.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 13:22 |
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 12:49 |
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:47 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
I buy mostly used vinyls... AND THE ARTISTS GETS NOTHING!  But I get a cool vintage artifact, which nobody can share via net. As a crime, file sharing is nothing compared when people get stabbed to the face on the streets. Have you seen it ever happen? |
This is a great point, as I, too buy a lot of used vinyl. It's a great way to expand your collection legally at relatively low cost. However, the artist doesn't see a dime of used record money. What hasn't the RIAA cracked down on those communist used record store owners??!!??!
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cuncuna
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:37 |
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It is a problem indeed; but they should see it coming.
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:37 |
I buy mostly used vinyls... AND THE ARTISTS GETS NOTHING! But I get a cool vintage artifact, which nobody can share via net. As a crime, file sharing is nothing compared when people get stabbed to the face on the streets. Have you seen it ever happen?
Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - July 25 2006 at 10:37
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The Wizard
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:31 |
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In small doses for me. If the album is rare or expensive I'll download it.
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Philéas
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 10:27 |
I voted "too convoluted to make opinion"
Without filesharing, I wouldn't be writing this, because I wouldn't
have discovered Prog. I download albums to check out an artist. If I
like it, I order it or go out and buy it immediately. Lately though, I
have been able to decide wheter to buy an album or not without
downloading it first, thanks to the free mp3 streaming on this site, a
really good initiative! 
I am not in favor of illegal downloading, it's a handy way to discover
music, but the artists does lose money. One of the main arguments of
people who are pro-filesharing is that today's record prices are far
too high, however, there are plenty of legitimate online stores where
one can buy music (and especially prog, I've found  )
at acceptable prices. So with limited free streaming on artist
websites, aswell as better information (possibly an advertisement
banner on an artist's website) on where to order CDs at good prices,
the filesharing could probably be reduced heavily.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 09:01 |
hackett acolyte wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ aha ... you're talking about the old Napster service. It was shut down by the music industry a couple of years ago and then re-launched as a legal service.
BTW: The whale is from the Gojira album from last year ... if you like experimental metal, check them out. I also believe they have some free tracks on their website.
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quite possibly, but there is a service in Australia which is called lime wire, which im not sure if it is actualy a version of napster, but is definately follows the same program. So does share bear. |
If you go to www.napster.com you'll see that it doesn't have anything in common with services like limewire, share bear, kazaa or edonkey ... Napster isn't about file sharing anymore.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 08:44 |
FIFTH AMENDMENT!!! 
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hackett acolyte
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 07:59 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ aha ... you're talking about the old Napster service. It was shut down by the music industry a couple of years ago and then re-launched as a legal service.
BTW: The whale is from the Gojira album from last year ... if you like experimental metal, check them out. I also believe they have some free tracks on their website.
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quite possibly, but there is a service in Australia which is called lime wire, which im not sure if it is actualy a version of napster, but is definately follows the same program. So does share bear.
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Australian
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 07:55 |
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Illegal downloads suck, they are destroying music and the problem is basically eveyone does it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 07:25 |
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^ aha ... you're talking about the old Napster service. It was shut down by the music industry a couple of years ago and then re-launched as a legal service.
BTW: The whale is from the Gojira album from last year ... if you like experimental metal, check them out. I also believe they have some free tracks on their website.
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hackett acolyte
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 07:12 |
and by the way, before i forget, nice avatar, i like the whale. 
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