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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Ivan I understand you reasons, and i'm very interested in what you have to say (unless it's about Genesis after Hackett ) but I think that Foxtrot is a much more well rounded and cohesive effort than Nursery Cryme, it's certaintly dated better and some of Gabriels vocals on Nursery Cryme don't quite hit the mark. I also think that 'Supper's Ready' is THE definitive Genesis song, it's twists and turns are so amusing and breathtaking, and the finale!!

I get your point, I always had some trouble deciding which is my favorite album between Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme, because both have such a similar atmosphere, both have their high points and both have disadvantages in comparison with the other.

This is some things I think:

  1. Foxtrot is more solid, but none in the level of Musical Box.
  2. Nursery Cryme has three superb songs, one very good two good and one weaker, but not bad.
  3. Supper's Ready is not my favorite Genesis song, my top 5 are:
    • Musical Box
    • Fountain of Salmacis
    • Can-Utility and the Coastliners
    • White Mountain
    • Supper's Ready
  4. Both should have been originally released as one whole perfect album that today would be considered the icon of the genre.
  5. Both deserve 5 stars, but Foxtrot is slightly better IMO as a whole.

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Your top 5 I do find surprising but they're all excellent songs, no matter what order.

I think if those albums had've been released as a whole they would have no character, and Nursery Cryme would not have seemed so innovative in 72 as it did in 71, if you get me.

Yeah I agree, Foxtrot is a stronger album, but there are a couple of other Genesis albums that I feel are also stronger than Nursery Cryme. I think 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' is their darkest, most ambitious and out and out WACKIEST hour, for me listening to that album is like being immersed in a fantasy type film as the lyrics are just so vivid! It's amazing. So I think Foxtrot and The Lamb are their most important.
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Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Ivan I understand you reasons, and i'm very interested in what you have to say (unless it's about Genesis after Hackett ) but I think that Foxtrot is a much more well rounded and cohesive effort than Nursery Cryme, it's certaintly dated better and some of Gabriels vocals on Nursery Cryme don't quite hit the mark. I also think that 'Supper's Ready' is THE definitive Genesis song, it's twists and turns are so amusing and breathtaking, and the finale!!

I get your point, I always had some trouble deciding which is my favorite album between Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme, because both have such a similar atmosphere, both have their high points and both have disadvantages in comparison with the other.

This is some things I think:

  1. Foxtrot is more solid, but none in the level of Musical Box.
  2. Nursery Cryme has three superb songs, one very good two good and one weaker, but not bad.
  3. Supper's Ready is not my favorite Genesis song, my top 5 are:
    • Musical Box
    • Fountain of Salmacis
    • Can-Utility and the Coastliners
    • White Mountain
    • Supper's Ready
  4. Both should have been originally released as one whole perfect album that today would be considered the icon of the genre.
  5. Both deserve 5 stars, but Foxtrot is slightly better IMO as a whole.

Iván

 
            
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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I rate NC with 5 and Trespass with 4.5, so it's Nursery Cryme by a nose.

Iván

Bit high, I don't think Nursery Cryme should be given the status of 'masterpiece', and Trespass is a solid four, would you really give it a higher mark?

I have reasons to give this high ratings: 

Nursery Cryme:

  1. The best Genesis song ever which is The Musical Box
  2. No fillers excpet maybe For Absent Friends, but it's still a very good song.
  3. The perfectly dark atmosphere
  4. Fountain of Salmacis, another top ten
  5. Harold the Barrell, a taste of acid humor.
  6. The first album with the classic lineup

Trespass:

  1. An incredible evolution from a poppy album to a serious Progressive Rock release by a bunch of teenagers (Most of Genesis members reached 20 in 1970 except Ant who was one year younger).
  2. Even darker atmosphere than in the next two albums.
  3. Peter Gabriel's voice sounds more natural and clear than ever
  4. Absolutely not a weak song.
  5. Excellent use of acoustic instruments like Tony's piano and Anthony's guitar.}

Those are my reasons.

Iván

Ivan I understand you reasons, and i'm very interested in what you have to say (unless it's about Genesis after Hackett ) but I think that Foxtrot is a much more well rounded and cohesive effort than Nursery Cryme, it's certaintly dated better and some of Gabriels vocals on Nursery Cryme don't quite hit the mark. I also think that 'Supper's Ready' is THE definitive Genesis song, it's twists and turns are so amusing and breathtaking, and the finale!!
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Trespass!  My favorite from Genesis along with Foxtrot. 

Trespass is a solid, consistently awesome prog album, all the way through not a dull moment, plus there are no ridiculous voices.  All the songs are awesome, especially Stagnation, The Knife, White Mountain, and Looking for Someone.

Nursery Cryme on the other hand was a big disapointment for me.  Musical Box of course is amazing, better than anything on Trespass, 2nd best Genesis song IMO behind Supper's Ready.  But For Absent Friends I find to be boring and pointless filler, although pleasant.  Giant Hogweeed I hated at first, but it has grown on me considerably.  Still not a huge fan though.  Seven Stones is a good song, solid, not really outstanding other than the mellotron at the end.  Harold the Barrel is a quirky and good song, not too long and kind of goofy, which I usually hate.  This works however.  Harlequin I find to be kind of pointless like For Absent Friends.  Fountain of Salmacis is of course brilliant, great mellotron.  But all in all, I found this to be a somewhat lacking album.  Maybe it's because I already knew Musical Box, which turned out to be by far the best and longest song on the album.

In conclusion, I like Trespass more.
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Yes, Snow Dog, I believe it's the same Trespass, the difference is in the taste.

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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

 

Trespass:

  1. An incredible evolution from a poppy album to a serious Progressive Rock release by a bunch of teenagers (Most of Genesis members reached 20 in 1970 except Ant who was one year younger).
  2. Even darker atmosphere than in the next two albums.
  3. Peter Gabriel's voice sounds more natural and clear than ever
  4. Absolutely not a weak song. Really? Is this the same Trespass I got?
  5. Excellent use of acoustic instruments like Tony's piano and Anthony's guitar.}

Those are my reasons.

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Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I rate NC with 5 and Trespass with 4.5, so it's Nursery Cryme by a nose.

Iván

Bit high, I don't think Nursery Cryme should be given the status of 'masterpiece', and Trespass is a solid four, would you really give it a higher mark?

I have reasons to give this high ratings: 

Nursery Cryme:

  1. The best Genesis song ever which is The Musical Box
  2. No fillers excpet maybe For Absent Friends, but it's still a very good song.
  3. The perfectly dark atmosphere
  4. Fountain of Salmacis, another top ten
  5. Harold the Barrell, a taste of acid humor.
  6. The first album with the classic lineup

Trespass:

  1. An incredible evolution from a poppy album to a serious Progressive Rock release by a bunch of teenagers (Most of Genesis members reached 20 in 1970 except Ant who was one year younger).
  2. Even darker atmosphere than in the next two albums.
  3. Peter Gabriel's voice sounds more natural and clear than ever
  4. Absolutely not a weak song.
  5. Excellent use of acoustic instruments like Tony's piano and Anthony's guitar.}

Those are my reasons.

Iván



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I have always loved Trespass, especially White Mountain, but Nursery Cryme gets my vote. I rate this as one of their best. I have always felt it had the edge on Foxtrot too, even though that too is excellent. Everything about Nursery Cryme appeals to me. Every song is superb, especially the seldom mentioned Harlequin. And the cover is my joint favourite Genesis cover, along with Trick Of The Tail.
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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I rate NC with 5 and Trespass with 4.5, so it's Nursery Cryme by a nose.

Iván

Bit high, I don't think Nursery Cryme should be given the status of 'masterpiece', and Trespass is a solid four, would you really give it a higher mark?
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I rate NC with 5 and Trespass with 4.5, so it's Nursery Cryme by a nose.

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  • Trespass - 3.75/5
  • Nursery Cryme - 4.75/5
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Trespass - ****.5

Nursery Cryme - *****
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I like both. I voted for Nursery Cryme but I have always liked Trespass and think it is underrated.
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Nursery Cryme = Best Genesis album.

Who do you think is my vote to?

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Hey anyone who voted for Nursery Cryme, I just posted a review if your interested


good review!

Thank you Micky

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Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Hey anyone who voted for Nursery Cryme, I just posted a review if your interested


good review!
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Nursery crime by far
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TRESPASS!! one of the most underrated albums.
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Originally posted by Progger Progger wrote:

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Trespass was never even a good album, it is at best mediocre, but on the other hand, Nursery Cryme is a very good album.

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Why those albums is in the top 20 of this chart is beyond me! Those stupid cult Genesis fans havn't got any taste!

Progger, I might be wrong here, but you strike me as a person who doesn't like Gabriel era Genesis  To be honest I think that have become the Supermen of this site and it can be very annoying sometimes. I mean come on FOUR ALBUMS IN THE TOP 10!! But they're still an excellent band and very possibly my favourite after Yes (Them or Floyd)
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