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Rashikal 
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 Posted: January 20 2006 at 21:18 |
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i think you guys need to learn about actual metal before you start praising DT as gods... half the riffs are stolen
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listen to Hella
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 20 2006 at 16:25 |
 IcedSabbath wrote:
aapatsos wrote:
IcedSabbath wrote:
Queensryche = Not prog to my ears.
Dream Theater = Crappy, fake "metal" chug riffs and annoying vocals...They were never good to begin with, IMO. Train of Thought is one of the most heinous things I've ever listened to, and what I've heard of Octavarium isn't so hot either.
If you're talking about the decline of prog metal bands, you must also mention Opeth. Their last album, from what I've heard, is pretty weak!
The only Fates Warning I have is Perfect Symmetry, and it's killer; I'm not going to comment on their latest output.
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chill out man, I think you have to find some more convincing arguments... 
maybe also you haven't read the topic thoroughly, we're talking about the three major prog-metal bands (well IMO and of many others), Opeth were not here in 1983, 1986 or 1989......
Ed, are you referring to this one?
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Yeah dude, I know the initial post was about only a few specific bands...I commented on each of those bands, and then added additional comments on bands related to the topic. Fair game, in my eyes.
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allright dude 
but comments like 'crappy' 'fake' metal... 
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IcedSabbath
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Posted: January 20 2006 at 16:05 |
moonlapse wrote:
IcedSabbath wrote:
If you're talking about the decline of prog metal bands, you must also mention Opeth. Their last album, from what I've heard, is pretty weak! |
You heard wrong 
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Well, my favorite Opeth album is Orchid, so that will give you the idea of the style of Opeth I prefer.
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IcedSabbath
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Posted: January 20 2006 at 16:02 |
aapatsos wrote:
IcedSabbath wrote:
Queensryche = Not prog to my ears.
Dream Theater = Crappy, fake "metal" chug riffs and annoying vocals...They were never good to begin with, IMO. Train of Thought is one of the most heinous things I've ever listened to, and what I've heard of Octavarium isn't so hot either.
If you're talking about the decline of prog metal bands, you must also mention Opeth. Their last album, from what I've heard, is pretty weak!
The only Fates Warning I have is Perfect Symmetry, and it's killer; I'm not going to comment on their latest output.
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chill out man, I think you have to find some more convincing arguments...
maybe also you haven't read the topic thoroughly, we're talking about the three major prog-metal bands (well IMO and of many others), Opeth were not here in 1983, 1986 or 1989......
Ed, are you referring to this one?
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Yeah dude, I know the initial post was about only a few specific bands...I commented on each of those bands, and then added additional comments on bands related to the topic. Fair game, in my eyes.
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Sean2989
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Posted: January 20 2006 at 01:02 |
Nazgul wrote:
Bob Greece wrote:
I think Octavarium is one of Dream Theater's best ever albums. I would call it a return to form. |
I can not agree with you IMO Octavarium is wrost I ever hear from DT.
After two weeks Octavarium gets place on shelf where are albums wich I
dont listening.
Some people likes octavarium but I can't uderstand why?
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I Think if you look at Octavarium as a whole you can see that as a band they have returned to the form that they started with. And as for you all that dont like the album, how many times have you heard it have you given it a good listen? Track 8 Octavarium has more depth and comlexity than most of there other songs thats why its one of their best. In my opinion I think that DT is as good as they have ever been and that this album is one of there best!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:20 |
VanBuren wrote:
and king's x and brand x and...yeah sorry |
T2 and U2 (and the B42s)
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:01 |
Ed Zeppelin wrote:
One word:
RAINBOW
Blackmore is God!
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what...............???
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Ed Zeppelin
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 07:56 |
One word:
RAINBOW
Blackmore is God!
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There is no sun in the shadow of The Wizard.
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 07:32 |
troy wrote:
aapatsos wrote:
horza wrote:
The last 2 Fates Warning studio albums Disconnected (2000)and FWX (2004) were EXCELLENT - no loss in quality AT ALL  |
there's a different approach
they sound a bit 'boring' to my ears, because I believe FW found this modern 'pattern' and keep repeating themselves after Apsog
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Except Disconnected and FWX are remarkably different
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I would say the opposite
take for example songs like 'one' and 'simple human', they sound quite similar
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troy
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Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:30 |
aapatsos wrote:
horza wrote:
The last 2 Fates Warning studio albums Disconnected (2000)and FWX (2004) were EXCELLENT - no loss in quality AT ALL |
there's a different approach
they sound a bit 'boring' to my ears, because I believe FW found this modern 'pattern' and keep repeating themselves after Apsog
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Except Disconnected and FWX are remarkably different
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SUNSET IS AN ANGEL WEEPING
HOLDING OUT A BLOODY SWORD
NO MATTER HOW I SQUINT I CANNOT MAKE OUT WHAT IT IS POINTING TOWARD
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OLAK!
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Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:14 |
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I think lateralus is the best tool album, BUT sober from undertow is their best song.
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When will you come convulsing to my basement?
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 19:28 |
MajesterX wrote:
I really don't think the great prog-metal bands are going downhill, especially Dream theater. This thread seems like a magnet to people who now dislike these bands. It seems as though everyone is being too much like angry critics. |
I don't dislike these bands, I love them as most of the people I have seen here
its good to be a critic
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 19:19 |
Zweck wrote:
Oh no you don't! The prog pee oh dubbya is naturally to be segregated from all others! |
I didn't mean ANYONE'S POINT OF VIEW, I meant ANY POINT OF VIEW, not only prog...
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 18:44 |
stonebeard wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
Dream theater is better than ever!
I mean just look at the first releases...images and words and awake and falling into infinity...those where fairly eh bad...but finally they seemed to have turned on Scenes from a memory album and making cool music which just shows from albums like Octavarium, Sdoit and tot! 
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Eh...no. Except for Scenes, Awake and Images and Words are DT's most consistent releases. And Falling into Infinity isn't as bad as some narrow-minded progheads say.
After Awake (saving Scenes), all of DT's releases have high and low points, without a single completly solid album. This is my opinion. I love the 2nd disc of SDOIT, but the first is riddled with poor artistic choices.
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 17:25 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
Dream theater is better than ever!
I mean just look at the first releases...images and words and awake and falling into infinity...those where fairly eh bad...but finally they seemed to have turned on Scenes from a memory album and making cool music which just shows from albums like Octavarium, Sdoit and tot!
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Eh...no. Except for Scenes, Awake and Images and Words are DT's most consistent releases. And Falling into Infinity isn't as bad as some narrow-minded progheads say.
After Awake (saving Scenes), all of DT's releases have high and low points, without a single completly solid album. This is my opinion. I love the 2nd disc of SDOIT, but the first is riddled with poor artistic choices.
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MajesterX
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 16:15 |
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I really don't think the great prog-metal bands are going downhill, especially Dream theater. This thread seems like a magnet to people who now dislike these bands. It seems as though everyone is being too much like angry critics.
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Zweck
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 15:54 |
Oh no you don't! The prog pee oh dubbya is naturally to be segregated from all others!
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 14:48 |
Rising Force wrote:
It seems like Tool releases an album every three to five years. What happened to the good old days when bands would release top quality albums every year or so? I don't know how you Tool fans have the patience. They are way too slow. |
It works for me, it's better to be slow and produce very good albums every 5 years
than produce average albums every 2-3 years (I don't want to mention the name......)
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 14:45 |
moonlapse wrote:
[QUOTE=IcedSabbath]If you're talking about the decline of prog metal bands, you must also mention Opeth. Their last album, from what I've heard, is pretty weak! |
we're not talking about this exactly, read the thread
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 14 2006 at 14:43 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
xjester wrote:
OLAK! wrote:
I liked octavarium when i firs heard it. It was the first DT album i ever heard, and i thought it was beautiful. Oh how horribly wrong i was. Octavarium is probably the worst album i've heard by DT other than When Dream And Day Unite. It's bad for DT but if it was released by another band it would be that band's best album.
I would say TooL are a great band, constatntly getting better. So is Pain Of Salvation.
Now if one considers The Mars Volta to be metal, as some people do, then we have nothing to worry about.
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I dissagree. I love tool, but IMO, their cds have been going down ever since undertow. not to say thay AEnima and Lateralus wernt great, but they just dont hold up quite like undertow
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I disagree with your disagreement.
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I AGREE THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH HIS DISAGREEMENT
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"Fall" of the great prog-metal bands?
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