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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 04:37
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

It easier for the more unknown artist to get high on the list as the unknown bands are only for them that is already into prog metal from before and usually gets pretty much overrated by them.

While known bands like Dream Theater gets bashed from non prog-metal fans that does not even like the genre and give them a weak rating.

You know, ive never thought about it like that but your right, someone who dosent like metal will go and rate DT down with low markings (and there are enough people doing that) will the lesser known bands are left to fans to rate.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 03:05

It easier for the more unknown artist to get high on the list as the unknown bands are only for them that is already into prog metal from before and usually gets pretty much overrated by them.

While known bands like Dream Theater gets bashed from non prog-metal fans that does not even like the genre and give them a weak rating.
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I really do like Lateralus. Prog. Yea, just barely. A lot of it was good heavy metal with a dark edge that grooves real well. They do incorporate enough different things into their playing to qualify as prog, IMO. Anyone who says otherwise probabaly has had an album of their's in full.

If "incorporating different things into their playing" was an "qualifying" attribute of prog, SoaD would be 110% prog. I think it's more difficult ... IMO Tool are Prog mainly because of innovation and artistic value/integrity.
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Points: 21319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2005 at 02:09
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I have 79 of the albums in the top 100

 seems like I have to do some catching-up ... OR we'll need to promote the smaller bands some more:

  • Heaven's Cry
  • Adagio
  • The Gathering
  • Ivanhoe
  • Power of Omens
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Don't get me wrong, I really do like Lateralus. Prog. Yea, just barely. A lot of it was good heavy metal with a dark edge that grooves real well. They do incorporate enough different things into their playing to qualify as prog, IMO. Anyone who says otherwise probabaly has had an album of their's in full.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Haha, well we know Jody likes Tool

Well, I also consider Lateralus to be one of THE key prog metal albums.

I agree.

I never look at the top 100,was surprised to see it at #4.And Aenima is at #13...very cool.

I have 79 of the albums in the top 100


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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:29
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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Why is "Ayreon" considered metal?

They are quite heavy.


heavy means.. metal?

To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal.

Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on.

I always refer to Pt.1 as "The Dream Sequencer" and to Pt.2 as "The Universal Migrator". Of course only Pt.2 is Metal.

Oh, I usuelly refer to Pt2 as Flight of the Migrater.

BTW: I refer to both of these albums as "the two Ayreon albums that could have much simpler and shorter names".

That is most definatly true, it should also have been sold as a double CD set instead of 2 seperate CD's. Thankfully I got the SE version witch is a double CD set.

BTW I havnt got Lateralus, I refuse to pay £17 for a CD.

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Points: 21319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:18
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Haha, well we know Jody likes Tool

Well, I also consider Lateralus to be one of THE key prog metal albums.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BleedingGum BleedingGum wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by cmidkiff cmidkiff wrote:

Why is "Ayreon" considered metal?

They are quite heavy.


heavy means.. metal?

To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal.

Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on.

I always refer to Pt.1 as "The Dream Sequencer" and to Pt.2 as "The Universal Migrator". Of course only Pt.2 is Metal.

Oh, I usuelly refer to Pt2 as Flight of the Migrater.

BTW: I refer to both of these albums as "the two Ayreon albums that could have much simpler and shorter names".
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Haha, well we know Jody likes Tool
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Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Ahh, that's very refreshing to see. I haven't heard Riverside's albums yet, and that placement of Lateralus is a tad high, but overall, pretty good!

I agree- with so many proggers not even considereing Tool prog.

Au contraire, mon capitan:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9039



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I have 31 in the top 100- most of which are in the top 50
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:03
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BleedingGum BleedingGum wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by cmidkiff cmidkiff wrote:

Why is "Ayreon" considered metal?

They are quite heavy.


heavy means.. metal?

To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal.

Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on.

I always refer to Pt.1 as "The Dream Sequencer" and to Pt.2 as "The Universal Migrator". Of course only Pt.2 is Metal.

Oh, I usuelly refer to Pt2 as Flight of the Migrater.
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Ahh, that's very refreshing to see. I haven't heard Riverside's albums yet, and that placement of Lateralus is a tad high, but overall, pretty good!

I agree- with so many proggers not even considereing Tool prog.
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Points: 21319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2005 at 17:00
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BleedingGum BleedingGum wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by cmidkiff cmidkiff wrote:

Why is "Ayreon" considered metal?

They are quite heavy.


heavy means.. metal?

To be honest: When I first saw that Ayreon are catgorized as Metal here, I also thought that it was odd. But the heavy riff-oriented passages are one of the Ayreon trademarks, and some albums (Actual Fantasy, Universal Migrator) are clearly Metal.

Universal Migrater Pt1 isnt even remotly metal, but part 2 has greats like Russel Allen and Micheal Romeo on.

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Im not supprised that its Metropolis Pt2 and I&W from DT in their but I am supprised that theres no Awake or 6 Degrees
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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Riverside at number 2- what a JOKE

I like the album very much, but I agree that it seems a little bit overrated. But maybe it will grow on me ...

I know- I like it as well, but the number 2 spot???? It just came out to- amazing
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2005 at 16:58

I only have 17 albums from top 100 

Nice that Savatage is there. They are so underrated
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Ahh, that's very refreshing to see. I haven't heard Riverside's albums yet, and that placement of Lateralus is a tad high, but overall, pretty good!
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