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Valdez
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You guys prove time exists…in spades!!
It was a cool thread until someone had to bring science into it!!! Hahah All in fun. Some very intelligent posts here on all sides of life’s greatest mysteries! Edited by Valdez - 21 hours 41 minutes ago at 21:47 |
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Atavachron
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Definitely a lot to be said for self-reflection and personal growth. I wish I had a "thick skin" but in reality I'm a mercurial if highly liberal person. Easy going and compassionate, yes. Kind and willing to work within rules, not so much.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Logan
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^ I can be volatile and I'm not as much of a pacifist as I sometimes speak. I do think it helps to have some experience working with mental health issues. We all go through struggles and have bad or even horrific days, and a bit of compassion, a bit of tolerance, some empathy and some understanding can mean a lot. But you need to be strong enough and thick skinned enough not to care too much too. Definitely want kind and pretty easy-going candidates that are willing to work within rules and work together as a team.
EDIT: And a good moderator is someone who is both a good listener and a very good communicator, knows when to be discrete and supportive and when not to be, can be diplomatic but also be a straight-shooter, is not ruled by emotions, as well as having more patience than I often can muster. Edited by Logan - 22 hours 9 minutes ago at 21:19 |
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Atavachron
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I'd volunteer for admin if I thought I would not at any moment kick someone squarely in the gonads for being stupid. Not necessarily a great approach.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Logan
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^ The more hopefully the merrier, Ian. I do appreciate all the hard work you have been doing and was very enthusiastic about joining us an Admin. It is good to have different perspective and bring different ideas to the table. It would be good to have more Admin still, partially to lighten the load on us, to get different perspective and it just can make the whole thing more fun. When there were lots of admin the Admin zone looked like party central, now the tumbleweeds are floating though it. More can help to inspire more and to offer support and advice.
Anyway, I am done with this topic. I'll leave you to keep an eye on it if willing, and of course if you see abuse, or it gets political, it should be closed. I'm happiest when I am NOT moderating so very happy to leave it to others when they feel it is necessary or asked of them to step in. Lots of ways to moderate and de-escalate perceived tensions. Shifting focus, cracking jokes, love-bombing lol, whatever... Ideally, I feel, but I have failed at this too many times, it should be done with some tact, discretion, diplomacy and ideally some compassion and kindness (may not be warranted or advisable). Of course one does not wish to seem officious or too domineering (or like THE authority), and a little warmth and appreciation goes a long way, but sometime one just has to be formal and lay down the rules. Edited by Logan - 23 hours 17 minutes ago at 20:11 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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I'll leave you guys to it.
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Ian
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Atavachron
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Tony was a tough man. Old school serious sh*t. The kind of guy that would see someone pushing aside an elderly person on the street and suggest they might get their nose broken. My kinda dude.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Logan
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^ We could have been doing it together at the same time. Somehow I think we might have had too much fun with it. Seriously, I would have loved to do that stuff with you here, and along with Tony R, fantastic. I miss him. I sometimes gave him a bit of a hard time, regret that, but I always really respected and liked him. Lots of fun, and actually a very nice guy. You guys and others made this forum special to me, and I remain in that debt. I do miss the old days.... Things could get super heated and also be super fun at the same time.
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Atavachron
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^ Oh hell yeah, that's why I flatly turned down Tony's invitation to be an admin years ago, and/or just to moderate.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Logan
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^ I'm a moderator too, of course, and have been for many years here, so was just a bit more concerned. It's good to have different styles and personalities, that bring some balance and checks. Shame more people don't wish to join as mods (tried to recruit and pass the mantle so to speak), but it can be super unpleasant and stressful, at least for me.
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Atavachron
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^ Because the moratorium on specifically political topics has held... so far.
And Ian does a great job, I like that admins can police other admins. Checks & balances. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Easy Money
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I think the conversation was cool, likewise Ian is just doing his job 'moderating' as they say.
Anyway, I go way back, I can remember when 'heated' on this site was much worse. Its a pretty mellow site these days. |
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Logan
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^^ Is it heated? I had not even noticed (not with me at all). Some humour, warmth, amiability and positivity can go a long way to de-escalate situations I think if you think there is one. But different people have different style of moderation and mediation (I became a mod here in like 2008 or 2009 and still not very good at it). My way often just leads to tears, unfortunately, despite when I have good intentions. I don't believe in being heavy-handed unless deemed necessary or it's too much effort not to (the latter often being the case). I do believe that as much as possible the forum should be left to moderate itself. This is not kindergarten.
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Atavachron
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Nope - but its getting rather heated.
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Ian
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Logan
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Have I done something wrong, Ian? Concerned because I have been the last to comment, we are a team, and you phrased at as I rather than we. Edited by Logan - Yesterday at 18:55 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Am I going to have to close this thread too?
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Ian
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Logan
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Yes, but I was thinking of confirmation bias where people who think they are special, and know the truth that others don't (and that TPTB are trying to hide it from you) often doesn't casts their nets wide enough (dismiss some things immediately as propaganda that they should not) and end up researching from the kinds of sources that support their dubious views and think that other sources are compromised somehow. I am for research, but some researchers take a better approach than others. Reevaluation is indeed very important.
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Atavachron
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^ Which is why it's so important to keep investigating not just new information but especially what you already have looked at. Over and over and over and over and over and over again. Further, in that time one's perspective, opinions, and character change. It may not necessarily make you more informed, but it certainly makes you more intelligent and more exposed.
Reevaluation is one of the most under-recognized avenues and underutilized tools. Maybe the most, and that only becomes clear once you star doing it. It is annoying and painful, but those who have not taken it upon themselves to do so are the ones who I trust the least and whose opinions I value the least. |
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Logan
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^ I think it depends on the "researcher". For some it helps, for others it just reinforces questionable beliefs and can led to more many questionable beliefs. I would think that the "tinfoil hat", conspiracy-minded type of researcher commonly is less likely to be doing good research than others. Some people latch on a to cobwebberry of ideas that reinforce their own biases. I do very much doubt that, say, Silly Puppy's years and years of research has given him the truth as much as he seems to believe on a host of issues.
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