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^^ Yes, I really believe that one of the most important things we need to do to preserve our liberal society is to try to get along with people who have different views. Within reasonable limits of course. This "corridor of allowable opinions" isn't infinitely wide for most people. Smile
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Society has changed a lot - as I mentioned elsewhere, in the 90s there was more room for disagreement. The "corridor of allowable opinions", if you will, was much wider than it is today. Of course memory is not completely reliable, as the brain modifies memories over time. But even today we can see this "corridor" getting more and more narrow. At the same time the "us vs them" mentality is increasing.

I miss these days when you could discuss different points of view even on controversial issues without necessarily reaching the name-calling stage at some point. Nowadays it seems like we reach that stage even before the argument begins, by people preemptively using pejorative terms on "them" to virtuously signal their position within the "us" group. Undoubtedly social media is partially (or mostly) to blame for this, making it much easier to attack people verbally without facing immediate consequences.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2024 at 00:12
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

You're either on the side of humanity or you're not.


Do you think that anyone who disagrees with the views you hold on these important topics is automatically evil? I think that for many of these matters (homophobia for instance) there is a range of opinions out there, and not all people that are incompatible with my views on the issue are "bad people". So at least for me, I don't feel anger towards them, or the need to insult them.
I actually agree with you, Mike. That's the reason I didn't cancel that forum and kept talking with those users about the show. I just don't talk with them about politics etc.

I believe that despite having different views than a certain group of people, who are into the same franchise or music style (you get the idea) as you, and despite the fact you hate their views with a passion, you can still get along. 👍

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

You're either on the side of humanity or you're not.

Do you think that anyone who disagrees with the views you hold on these important topics is automatically evil? I think that for many of these matters (homophobia for instance) there is a range of opinions out there, and not all people that are incompatible with my views on the issue are "bad people". So at least for me, I don't feel anger towards them, or the need to insult them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 22:52
Gotta have some drama !
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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Ok, drama
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hrychu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 22:33
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ That may be true, but those forum posters are misled assh*les and it's important to remember that.   You're either on the side of humanity or you're not.


That's true. And that's why on that forum, I exclusively talk about the technical aspects of the TV Show.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 22:07
^ That may be true, but those forum posters are misled assh*les and it's important to remember that.   You're either on the side of humanity or you're not.




Edited by Atavachron - April 12 2024 at 22:08
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For some time now I don't discuss politics or social topics online, 'cause I know it can easily lead to arguments and dramas. And forums are echo chambers. I'm a member of a forum about a popular Polish TV show and that forum is filled with almost exclusively right-wingers or alt-right people. And every time a political topic is talked about over there, and someone says something homophobic, racist or really really fricking stupid and a whole bunch of other users just agree, and nobody even questions that unethical way of thinking, nobody comes over with a counterargument, I cringe of embarrassment.

The forum users are like a bunch of surströmmings rotting in their online echo chamber tin can, and when someone from the outside world opens this can up, there comes that awful stench.

Edited by Hrychu - April 12 2024 at 21:46
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 15:54
Being ignored is not something I tend to worry about ... 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 15:48
At least you weren't ignored. That's far worse.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 15:40
It has been a rough week ... I'm sorry if I offended some of you in these heated discussions, that was never my intention. I'll try to stay out of them going forward, it simply takes too much time and focus away from the music. Political topics are a SCNR thing for me - I know it is pointless discussing them in a forum, since the discussion always deteriorates into name-calling and fallacious arguments that would take weeks to resolve, time which essentially nobody has.

I'm sorry that I got angry towards Catcher10 and Moshkito. I still do not agree with what you wrote and how you engaged me (and others), but of course this is a public forum and we are all free to pretty much do what we like.

I'll get back to focusing on the music. See you around!
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