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Yams ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 16 2004 Status: Offline Points: 198 |
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I've always liked Barlow's drum solo on part one of Thick as a Brick. Drum solos are just like any other solo. It's either good or it isn't.
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts. Max Roach released in 1979 a record under the name M'Boom (King Crimson's B'Boom title being probably a wink to M'Boom, Max Roach being a great influence on Bruford's drumming) with seven percussionnists. The result is rather pleasant to listen to, the compositions blending various instruments ranging from marimba, vibes, chimes to xylophone, leaning more towards african ethnic rhythms than jazz. In 1984, Max Roach released an album entitled 'Survivors' that features a 21 mn plus drum solo : believe me, this is the most enjoyable piece of improvisation I have ever heard. But in general, I am not keen on drum solos and in the case of Jethro Tull's 'Thick as a brick' I think it is out of place. |
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Biggles ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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Yeah, that's a good point. Another one is Cream's "Toad," which, although it's quite good on the original "Fresh Cream" version, they do a live one on "Wheels of Fire," and, believe me, I have MUCH better things to listen to than a 17-minute drum solo. Even Keith Moon thought drum solos were boring. I love a bit of fancy footwork, like that awesome short drum solo on Focus's "Hocus Pocus" that segues into the next section, but a drum solo should be there for a reason, not just for filler. Jethro Tull also has two brilliant drum solos in which, though the drummer is in the spotlight, he isn't the only one that's doing something: "Dharma for One" and the beginning of the second part of "Thick as a Brick." I put it to the public that if a drummer's only opportunity to express himself creatively is during a solo, then he is either a bad drummer (in which case he shouldn't be soloing to begin with) or he is in a bad band. The great drummers are ALWAYS doing amazing stuff, whether you're paying attention to them or not (i.e. Bill Bruford, Billy Cobham). Edited by Biggles |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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A websearch proved fairly positive, the album being mentioned here: http://www.temple-music.com/temple_music/html/biogs/jon_bio. html QUOTE: Jon is famous for his drum solos and 60 concerts were digitally recorded during Paraphernalia and United Jazz & Rock Ensemble tours in 1985. This resulted in the album 'About Time Too!' being released in the Autumn of 1986. This is a drum solo album and has just been re-released on CD. It's a great album for parties when you want people to leave!UNQUOTE I kept searching and there is hope of finding a copy of the CD:
http://www.schott-music.com/shop/3/1000122/1660509/show,9295 3.html where there are samples to download!!! It turns out the LP was released in the 80's and the CD issued some time between 96 and 98.
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M. B. Zapelini ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 21 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 773 |
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Personally, I like a good drums solo... Some drummers are really innovative and play nice-sounding solos, like Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, Jon Hiseman and Neil Peart, but others are simply showing themselves, like Mike Portnoy, John Bonham and Queen's Roger Taylor (not Duran Duran's Roger Taylor). Some great drummers never played a solo, like Charlie Watts and Jim Capaldi, but I have always wondered how it would sound. Mr. Heath, I would really like to listen to Hiseman's CD - at least to satisfy my curiosity! |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Suggests purgatory!
Jon Hiseman released a CD in the late 80's/early 90's of drum solos recorded whilst touring with his wife Barbara Thompson's Paraphenalia. |
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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Some solos are OK, other are not... The drum solo on "Weiss Der Teufel" by RUFUS ZUPHALL was amusing. One on BUDGIE's "You're The Biggest Thing Since Powdered Milk" wasn't... |
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Damen ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 04 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1068 |
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Just keep it interesting... |
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Doesburger ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I'm also a drummer but also believe drums solos aren't really necessary, I love some of them, but I rather listen a keyboard and drums playing together (Like Wakeman often does with the incredible Tony Fernandez) or a rhytm section semi solo, drums and bass playin alone sound excellent. About the solos I like:
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Toob-Wurm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 23 2005 Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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Yeah, Tool does do that actually (46 & 2), and so does The Mars Volta (Roulette Dares (The Haunt Of)). It's nice when bands do that, but most of the time, they just stop the music and paste in some drum "filler" stuff. |
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BePinkTheater ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1381 |
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It can get a little boring.... I tihnk the best drum solos are the ones where the music is still going on....I dont understand why that isnt done more. The band doesnt stop for a guitar solo...why should they stop for a drum solo? |
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Uther Pendragon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 103 |
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I've got to say that I really enjoy a good drum-soo in the middle of a
concert, as it provides a bit of variation, but only if it is an
interesting solo. I don't like the show-off "look what I can do" kind
of drum solo, but more like the Rythm Method by Neil Peart of Rush. Is
it just me or does everyone else think that the drum-solo in the middle
of YYZ on 'Exit... Stage Left' was just brilliant and made an excellent song even better?
I also prove a point that it isn't only drummers who enjoy drum solos (as I am a guitarist myself!) ![]() Edited by Uther Pendragon |
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Starette ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 14 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 502 |
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Depends whether or not they change tempo and are engaging enough...the first drum-solo that really captured me was that of the Corrs on their Unplugged album- Toss the Feathers- that I got for christmas when I was 14. (Dammit- whats her name?? I remember Andrea, Caroline and Jim but I can't remember the drummer!!) Even more impressive was the fact it was on a tradtional irish drum. (yep- theres a name for it but I don't know what it is.) Favourite drum-solo now would have to be Court of the Crimson King- after the piping-version of the melody, before it goes back to the mellotron-ed chorus. |
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el böthy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
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Yes really...its far to long...I only listen to it once...complet that is...still its my favorite live album! |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Excellent point! |
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TheProgtologist ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
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I am a drummer and am not a big fan of the drum solo.
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Pr@gmatic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 04 2005 Location: Virgin Islands Status: Offline Points: 1023 |
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WTF?
Praised be Bonzo! ![]() Edited by Pr@gmatic |
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Manunkind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 2373 |
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Drum solos aren't fundamentally from any other solos. It all depends how long the soloist's imagination can last. |
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Phil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
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Agree about Buddy Rich - Carl Palmer was a huge fan I believe - I saw Buddy Rich once on something like Parkinson and he was astounding to watch...sadly died before his time I believe? |
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