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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 13:02
I've always liked Barlow's drum solo on part one of Thick as a Brick. Drum solos are just like any other solo. It's either good or it isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 12:34

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

You are probably refering to Vander's 'Korusz', long drum solos (the shorter is 11 mn) recorded during various concerts.

Max Roach released in 1979 a record under the name M'Boom (King Crimson's B'Boom title being probably a wink to M'Boom, Max Roach being a great influence on Bruford's drumming) with seven percussionnists. The result is rather pleasant to listen to, the compositions blending various instruments ranging from marimba, vibes, chimes to xylophone, leaning more towards african ethnic rhythms than jazz.

In 1984, Max Roach released an album entitled 'Survivors' that features a 21 mn plus drum solo : believe me, this is the most enjoyable piece of improvisation I have ever heard.

But in general, I am not keen on drum solos and in the case of Jethro Tull's 'Thick as a brick' I think it is out of place.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 11:55
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Hard to make a general statement....but generally, I think they aren't really necessary. Bill Bruford deliberately avoids drum solo's!

Having said that when you're at a concert a solo can be great to watch..though the most impressive ones have been those of Carl Palmer that I've only seen on DVD...but listening to them on record is just plain boring unless they're kept very short.

Summed up brilliantly Phil. I love listening to Moby Dick on Led Zep II but the one on "How the west was won" is far too long.

Yeah, that's a good point. Another one is Cream's "Toad," which, although it's quite good on the original "Fresh Cream" version, they do a live one on "Wheels of Fire," and, believe me, I have MUCH better things to listen to than a 17-minute drum solo. Even Keith Moon thought drum solos were boring. I love a bit of fancy footwork, like that awesome short drum solo on Focus's "Hocus Pocus" that segues into the next section, but a drum solo should be there for a reason, not just for filler. Jethro Tull also has two brilliant drum solos in which, though the drummer is in the spotlight, he isn't the only one that's doing something: "Dharma for One" and the beginning of the second part of "Thick as a Brick."

I put it to the public that if a drummer's only opportunity to express himself creatively is during a solo, then he is either a bad drummer (in which case he shouldn't be soloing to begin with) or he is in a bad band. The great drummers are ALWAYS doing amazing stuff, whether you're paying attention to them or not (i.e. Bill Bruford, Billy Cobham).



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 11:29
Originally posted by M. B. Zapelini M. B. Zapelini wrote:

Mr. Heath, I would really like to listen to Hiseman's CD - at least to satisfy my curiosity!

A websearch proved fairly positive, the album being  mentioned here:

http://www.temple-music.com/temple_music/html/biogs/jon_bio. html

QUOTE: Jon is famous for his drum solos and 60 concerts were digitally recorded during Paraphernalia and United Jazz & Rock Ensemble tours in 1985. This resulted in the album 'About Time Too!' being released in the Autumn of 1986. This is a drum solo album and has just been re-released on CD. It's a great album for parties when you want people to leave!UNQUOTE

I kept searching and there is hope of finding a copy of the CD:

 

John Hiseman - About Time Too!

http://www.schott-music.com/shop/3/1000122/1660509/show,9295 3.html

where there are samples to download!!! It turns out the LP was released in the 80's and the CD issued some time between 96 and 98.


 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 07:32

Personally, I like a good drums solo... Some drummers are really innovative and play nice-sounding solos, like Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer, Jon Hiseman and Neil Peart, but others are simply showing themselves, like Mike Portnoy, John Bonham and Queen's Roger Taylor (not Duran Duran's Roger Taylor). Some great drummers never played a solo, like Charlie Watts and Jim Capaldi, but I have always wondered how it would sound. Mr. Heath, I would really like to listen to Hiseman's CD - at least to satisfy my curiosity!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 04:48

Originally posted by Doesburger Doesburger wrote:

Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!

 

Suggests purgatory!

 

Jon Hiseman released a CD in the late 80's/early 90's of drum solos recorded whilst touring with his wife Barbara Thompson's Paraphenalia.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 02:47

Some solos are OK, other are not...

The drum solo on "Weiss Der Teufel" by RUFUS ZUPHALL was amusing. One on BUDGIE's "You're The Biggest Thing Since Powdered Milk" wasn't...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 02:40

Just keep it interesting...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 02:22
Drum soli CAN be exciting in a live environment. But to listen to on cd's... hmmmm The only interesting one I can listen to is Christian Vander. Imagine this : 2 cd's worth of drum soli!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2005 at 00:06

I'm also a drummer but also believe drums solos aren't really necessary, I love some of them, but I rather listen a keyboard and drums playing together (Like Wakeman often does with the incredible Tony Fernandez) or a rhytm section semi solo, drums and bass playin alone sound excellent.

About the solos I like:

  1. O Baterista: Neil Peart on Rush in Rio.
  2. Bruford and Collins. Cinema Show Closing Section in Seconds Out.
  3. Almost any solo by Carl Palmer: Has such a powerful bass drum that always impresses me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 23:55
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

It can get a little boring....

I tihnk the best drum solos are the ones where the music is still going on....I dont understand why that isnt done more. The band doesnt stop for a guitar solo...why should they stop for a drum solo?
mike portnoy does a lot of solo's while the music is going on. And its awesome

Yeah, Tool does do that actually (46 & 2), and so does The Mars Volta (Roulette Dares (The Haunt Of)).

It's nice when bands do that, but most of the time, they just stop the music and paste in some drum "filler" stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 22:41

It can get a little boring....

I tihnk the best drum solos are the ones where the music is still going on....I dont understand why that isnt done more. The band doesnt stop for a guitar solo...why should they stop for a drum solo?
mike portnoy does a lot of solo's while the music is going on. And its awesome

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 20:07
I've got to say that I really enjoy a good drum-soo in the middle of a concert, as it provides a bit of variation, but only if it is an interesting solo. I don't like the show-off "look what I can do" kind of drum solo, but more like the Rythm Method by Neil Peart of Rush. Is it just me or does everyone else think that the drum-solo in the middle of YYZ on 'Exit... Stage Left' was just brilliant and made an excellent song even better?

I also prove a point that it isn't only drummers who enjoy drum solos (as I am a guitarist myself!)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 17:14

Depends whether or not they change tempo and are engaging enough...the first drum-solo that really captured me was that of the Corrs on their Unplugged album- Toss the Feathers- that I got for christmas when I was 14. (Dammit- whats her name?? I remember Andrea, Caroline and Jim but I can't remember the drummer!!) Even more impressive was the fact it was on a tradtional irish drum. (yep- theres a name for it but I don't know what it is.)

Favourite drum-solo now would have to be Court of the Crimson King- after the piping-version of the melody, before it goes back to the mellotron-ed chorus.  (God- I love that song.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 15:39
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

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Summed up brilliantly Phil. I love listening to Moby Dick on Led Zep II but the one on "How the west was won" is far too long.

Yes really...its far to long...I only listen to it once...complet that is...still its my favorite live album!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 13:56
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Drum solos aren't fundamentally from any other solos. It all depends how long the soloist's imagination can last. 

 

 

Excellent point!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 13:09
I am a drummer and am not a big fan of the drum solo.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 12:59
WTF?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 12:33

Drum solos aren't fundamentally from any other solos. It all depends how long the soloist's imagination can last. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2005 at 11:59
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I guess there are two or three solos  will appeal but the rest will sound medicocre or worse. For me Joe Morello's Castillian Drums on Dave Brubeck Quartet at Carnegie Hall, Ginger Baker's Toad (Cream's Wheels On Fire), Brian Bennett's Little B (a sub-4 minute gem) on the 2nd Shadows album. Recently saw on DVD  an edited version of a  Buddy Rich drum solo, recorded on Jerry Lewis TV show (50's or 60's???), and it was astounding good - indeed Rich started from cold with no other musicians


Agree about Buddy Rich - Carl Palmer was a huge fan I believe - I saw  Buddy Rich once on something like Parkinson and he was astounding to watch...sadly died before his time I believe?
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