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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Yes wasn't successful musically in bringing in many mediocre players and letting them take over the band--say what you want about Genesis they never did this.

Intriguing comment, and I tend to agree!  Which members of Yes do you consider to have been "mediocre?" 

I'll start = Benoit David.
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

^correct they did add an established guitarist and respected drummer in the 70's to replace Hackett and Phil--both of them were well respected musicians --but who never became official members---Yes never did this late in their career they let anyone in---CAS was the only time they let an outsider into their band---and the results didn't work.


What's your point here? Genesis and Yes are very different bands, and they have taken radically different approaches over the years. They cannot be straightforwardly compared to each other. Yes has always had a revolving cast of members, rarely staying the same for more than a couple of albums. Still, even in the case of Genesis, both Collins and Hackett were once "outsiders" as they are not original members.


Yes wasn't successful musically in bringing in many mediocre players and letting them take over the band--say what you want about Genesis they never did this.
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

^correct they did add an established guitarist and respected drummer in the 70's to replace Hackett and Phil--both of them were well respected musicians --but who never became official members---Yes never did this late in their career they let anyone in---CAS was the only time they let an outsider into their band---and the results didn't work.


What's your point here? Genesis and Yes are very different bands, and they have taken radically different approaches over the years. They cannot be straightforwardly compared to each other. Yes has always had a revolving cast of members, rarely staying the same for more than a couple of albums. Still, even in the case of Genesis, both Collins and Hackett were once "outsiders" as they are not original members.
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

^correct they did add an established guitarist and respected drummer in the 70's to replace Hackett and Phil--both of them were well respected musicians --but who never became official members---Yes never did this late in their career they let anyone in---CAS was the only time they let an outsider into their band---and the results didn't work.

I saw the "And Then There Were Three" tour, and recognized the guitarist from an old photo in Guitar Player magazine = Daryl Stuermer!  He's a seasoned jazz-rock blazer who came to fame with Jean Luc Ponty, and he was an outstanding fit for the band.  

Rutherford is an amazing bassist, but not much of a 6 string player, so it's too bad that he didn't step back to let the superior guitarist in as a full member of the band.  

Chester Thompson also had huge credibility, and the entire band was amazing with their input.  
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^correct they did add an established guitarist and respected drummer in the 70's to replace Hackett and Phil--both of them were well respected musicians --but who never became official members---Yes never did this late in their career they let anyone in---CAS was the only time they let an outsider into their band---and the results didn't work.
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^Well also another guitarist on tour. And another drummer/singer when Phil left and they did the Calling All Stations tour...
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^^that is a Phil Collins concert --singing his top 10 hits---not a Genesis concert ---Genesis doesn't use anyone but another drummer since 1977.
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^Let's be honest with ourselves here...Genesis and the plethora of backup musicians/singers sound good. When last did Genesis only, play live?

I count 10 musicians on stage from this 2020 video.


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Opps, just realized this was a Phil Collins Video not Genesis.
However, a search showed 5 musicians on stage for the Genesis rehearsals.
Still...


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^have no idea why Genesis is touring --Phil seems so fragile ---but unlike Yes when Genesis does play live the music sounds amazing---whether you like the songs they are playing or not.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!
Isn't this the same thing people said about ELP? Are we going to have this same conversation after Genesis tours next? Am I seeing a pattern here? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!

Right you are!  They may as well call it the Steve Howe Ego Project!


been over for a long time for me--but liked a few things with the lineup with Benoit and Wakeman---just surprised Howe did it--he was always against making new music it was Squire who wanted to do new music---maybe they r keeping this alive to make some money for Squires family etc.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!

Right you are!  They may as well call it the Steve Howe Ego Project!


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!

Right you are!  They may as well call it the Steve Howe Ego Project!
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I think we can all agree that YES are absolutely done. What a dismal putrid situation to end your career on. Nice job boys!!
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...and to think, Yes kicked Ollie Wakeman out of the band for Downes??!  LOL
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

ROFLMAO, someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar....

"Geoff Downes said that Yes have updated songwriting credits on the new single "The Ice Bridge" after fans pointed out similarities with another song.

Downes plays a keyboard figure that mimics Francis Monkman's from "The Dawn of an Era," which opened the former Curved Air cofounder's 1978 solo album Energism. Downes said he found the music on an old work tape and mistakenly believed it was his own."


There are two phenomena happening here IMHO and professional opinion (psych and health background):

1. Geoff Downes is actually mentally slipping

2. He's pretending since he's old he's forgetful and seeing how much bullsh*t he can get a pass on.

I say it's a combination of the two!

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ROFLMAO, someone got caught with their hand in the cookie jar....

"Geoff Downes said that Yes have updated songwriting credits on the new single "The Ice Bridge" after fans pointed out similarities with another song.

Downes plays a keyboard figure that mimics Francis Monkman's from "The Dawn of an Era," which opened the former Curved Air cofounder's 1978 solo album Energism. Downes said he found the music on an old work tape and mistakenly believed it was his own."



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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Well, I hope Downes and Monkman are able to work out a royalties agreement. 
Downes has said on Twitter that it was "a simple error on my behalf" and the track will be credited as a Davison/Monkman/Downes composition.
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