Are drugs less common in prog?

o0mr_bill0o wrote: goose wrote: Tobacco, salvia, magic mushrooms, that thing that South American tribes take which I forget the name of but begins with an A, I think. And pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't. edit: reading a little it seems Ayahuacsa needs boiling or something, but I do find that morning glory seeds are a bit psychedelic. indeed.  you are talking about ayahuasca, which is really an amalgam of many different compounds, namely DMT and than an MAOI, typically harmala or harmaline.  mescaline is also found in a number of different cacti, most notably peyote and to a lesser extent san pedro.  Morning glory seeds contain LSA, an analog of LSD.  Opium is straight from the poppies, no refinement necessary.  And although cocaine hydrochloride requires extensive processing, psychoactive effects can be gleaned simply from chewing the coca plant.  ibogaine is also an incredibly potent natural psychedelic in plant form.  really, saying that marijuana is the only natural drug is simply ignorant, and bordering on moronic. <!-- Kerio Popup Killer - has been appended by KPF --> <!--      nopopups(); //--> <!-- Kerio Popup Killer - end of the appended by KPF--> <!-- Kerio Popup Killer - has been appended by KPF --> < id="kpfLog" src="http://127.0.0.1:44501/pl.?START_LOG" onload="destroy(this)" style="display: none;"> </> < ="text/"> <!--      nopopups(); //--> <!-- Kerio Popup Killer - end of the appended by KPF-->

True, there are hundred of power plants.

MJ is plant's flowers while H is resin collected from either only flowers or from the whole plant, depending on the process used.
Another issue is the selection/hybridation of MJ plants which allows cultivation and harvest of high quality MJ in temperate areas. It even grows in Alaska!

Ayahuasca is a "cook receipt" including many things.

Yes, we have to make distinction between natural "drugs", either under raw or concentrated form:
MJ, hash, poppies, OP, LSA seeds, LSA extract, Salvia leaves, Salvia 5X, Coca leaves, Peyotl, etc... and on another hand, chemically transformed drugs like LSD, Heroin, cocaine, crack, mescaline.

goose wrote: kirk wrote:  we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb. Maybe we would have been, but you brought up pot, aka hash!

hashish and marijuana are basically the same; both are products of Cannabis Indica, a variation of the hemp plant. hashish is made from the resin, marijuana from the leaves of the plant; the active substance in both is tetrahydrocannabinol.

goose wrote: Tobacco, salvia, magic mushrooms, that thing that South American tribes take which I forget the name of but begins with an A, I think. And pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't. edit: reading a little it seems Ayahuacsa needs boiling or something, but I do find that morning glory seeds are a bit psychedelic.

indeed.  you are talking about ayahuasca, which is really an amalgam of many different compounds, namely DMT and than an MAOI, typically harmala or harmaline.  mescaline is also found in a number of different cacti, most notably peyote and to a lesser extent san pedro.  Morning glory seeds contain LSA, an analog of LSD.  Opium is straight from the poppies, no refinement necessary.  And although cocaine hydrochloride requires extensive processing, psychoactive effects can be gleaned simply from chewing the coca plant.  ibogaine is also an incredibly potent natural psychedelic in plant form.  really, saying that marijuana is the only natural drug is simply ignorant, and bordering on moronic.
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kirk wrote:  we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.

Maybe we would have been, but you brought up pot, aka hash!

 we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.

Etymology: Middle English herbe, from Old French, from Latin herba

..if that's important somehow.

Main Entry: herb
Pronunciation: '&rb, US also and British usually 'h&rb
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
1 : a seed-producing annual, biennial, or perennial that does not develop persistent woody tissue but dies down at the end of a growing season
2 : a plant or plant part valued for its medicinal, savory, or aromatic qualities
3 slang : MARIJUANA 2
- herb·like /'(h)&r-"blIk/ adjective
- herby /'(h)&r-bE/ adjective

 i'm breaking from the topic after this. it's a ridiculous subject to begin with.

 of course most of the 70's proggers were writng on various mind altering substances.

 and you know else? probably fornicating. .

 i should say, i haven't used an illegal drug in years.

it's just that the harm level doesn't match the hysteria.

as les claypool said "more people have died from eating cheese than from marijuana".

p e a c e out

kirk

 

BaldJean wrote: krauthead wrote: BaldJean wrote: krauthead wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing. Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced. Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this  Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second. you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too Hi Jean and thx btw  Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language? not that I know of, sorry

That's ok Jean 

Thanks, it was some serious good info anyway 

BaldJean wrote: krauthead wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing. Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced. Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this  Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second. you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too

Hi Jean and thx btw 

Sounds cool... never heard of that, does it exist in English language?

krauthead wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Guru Guru guitarist Roland Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the "silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named "Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing. Gong, Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too. Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced. Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this  Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't believe it one second.

you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too


Edited by BaldJean

  those are plants and fungi. my point exactly.

 they contain varying degrees of mind alerting compounds,

but they're not "drugs". "drugs" are manufactured..by drug companies...

...sold in drug stores. too much of almost any plant can be toxic.

  we must have a different definition of "drugs"..or "druqks"

>  pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.

    wheat is grown. pasta is manufactured from it.

 coca leaves are grown. cocaine, heroin is manufactured from it.

  what you're referring to is processing for consumption.

from webster's-

 Main Entry: ²manufacture
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tured; man·u·fac·tur·ing /-'fak-ch&-ri[ng], -'fak-shri[ng]/
transitive senses
 : to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery b : to produce according to an organized plan and with division of labor
 : INVENT, FABRICATE
 : to produce as if by manufacturing : CREATE

  where the hell is the dutch guy?

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