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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 05:40 |
paulindigo wrote:
As a Mac user I have Limewire. Not too bad |
Nicotine is the program to connect to the soulseek network for anything that isn't a PC. You might have to compile it yourself on Macs though, I'm not sure.
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Throgh
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Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Poland
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Posted: September 13 2005 at 02:19 |
I do not download mp3 - my friend is doing it for me  ,
but only such things that I have no chance to buy on CD in Poland.
There are some music stores but they does not offer Psychedelic Furs,
Tuxedomoon, Cabaret Voltair, Brian Eno&Fripp etc
I do not collect pop or latest recordings of head bands that are in companies catalogue. I'm not interested in it.
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Syzygy
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Joined: December 16 2004
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Posted: September 11 2005 at 07:42 |
Smaller bands tend not to make that much money from CD sales (there are always exceptions, but it's generally true) so if you want to support the likes of Pendragon you're probably better going to a gig and buying a t shirt (and if you want to buy a CD, buy it directly from the band themselves). The bootlegging which hits artists is the proliferation of mass produced cheap copies, which home downloaders aren't generally involved with.
My own take on downloading is that, in the case of new or unfamiliar artists, it allows me to try before I buy - and if I like the music I always buy a legitimate copy because there's always some loss of quality with MP3 files, plus I like to have the information in the packaging.
I also have no qualms about using downloading to replace albums that I bought in another format when they were first released - especially those which weren't that great to start off with. In the case of albums like More or Obscured by Clouds I resent paying full price for a second rate 30 year old album. After all, CD reissues represent almost pure profit for the music industry (production costs are pretty minimal and there's no guarantee that any money will actually reach the artist).
Remember those warnings that home taping was killing music? This is the same idiocy repeating itself. The emergence of the CD format in the 80s gave the music industry a cash bonanza that defies belief. This current furore is really about major corporations blaming consumers for not making them even more obscenely wealthy than they already are.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Progslut
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Joined: June 27 2005
Location: Norway
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Points: 23
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Posted: September 11 2005 at 00:42 |
I DL music - if I like the album - Ill buy it. If I don`t like it I wouldn`t bought that album anyway.
No money lost here...But I listen to more music than I used to because it`s SO much easier to get access to...Actually I buy MORE albums than I usually would..... I LOSE!
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Man Overboard
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Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 17:46 |
I should mention that I never was interested in Pendragon at ALL until
I downloaded Believe from a buddy. I LOVED that album, bought it
and 3 others.
BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG PIRACY IS ONLY BAD LOL
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sonic_assassin
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Joined: February 29 2004
Location: Devon, UK
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Points: 157
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 17:35 |
If you really love prog, you'll support it, help it to thrive |
Re: Gabbel's comment, above, that's why I won't put Hawkwind's new
single in my uploads folder. I don't wanna do anything that's gonna
mess with their (slim) chance of charting. Anything that displaces
dross from the Top 40 and replaces it with Hawkwind has gotta be good.
additional:
On the other hand, I feel I have the right to DL and UL all manner of
bootlegs including May 1972 Space Ritual (with terrible sound quality),
Walthamstow 2003, Sonic Assassins 23-12-77, Live in Space 1990, etc,
etc... my interest in that sort of stuff dertacts not one iota from
Hawkwind's income.
I buy all the official stuff and I download unofficial stuff. Sorted
Edited by sonic_assassin
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 15:27 |
Trouserpress wrote:
jiggajake wrote:
soulseeks better cause you can download whole cds
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And any downloads you do do are from specific users who you can communicate with. There's also an (ocassionally) lively progressive rock chat room where users swap recommendations and discuss albums. Oh, and the search facility's better. And other reasons that I can't think of off hand. It's just generally better - this is coming from someone who used Win MX for about a year.
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You can download whole CDs with WinMX, you also download from specific users and you can communicate with them! So thats the same then,
Search fascility better? I don't know yet, but didn't like what I saw! I'll try it though!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 14:59 |
jiggajake wrote:
soulseeks better cause you can download whole cds |
And any downloads you do do are from specific users who you can
communicate with. There's also an (ocassionally) lively progressive
rock chat room where users swap recommendations and discuss albums. Oh,
and the search facility's better. And other reasons that I can't think
of off hand. It's just generally better - this is coming from someone
who used Win MX for about a year.
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jiggajake
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Joined: May 26 2004
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 14:31 |
soulseeks better cause you can download whole cds
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The Miracle
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Joined: May 29 2005
Location: hell
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 14:29 |
I only download to try sample a band. CD's and vinyls rule
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 13:45 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
sonic_assassin wrote:
My fav P2P is WinMX, btw.
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Try Soulseek. It's about 10000% better than Win MX.
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Huh, WinMX is absolutely free though!
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...so's Soulseek. What's yer point, Snowy?
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When i tried soulseek, they wanted a monthly subscription!
Edit....ha! I've been trying the wrong soulseek, I tried ages ago, when you mentioned it, but thre's another one you pay for!!!!
Anyway WinMX is still better! Or should I ask, in what way is soulseek better?
Edited by Snow Dog
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 13:40 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
sonic_assassin wrote:
My fav P2P is WinMX, btw.
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Try Soulseek. It's about 10000% better than Win MX.
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Huh, WinMX is absolutely free though! |
...so's Soulseek. What's yer point, Snowy?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:43 |
Trouserpress wrote:
sonic_assassin wrote:
My fav P2P is WinMX, btw.
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Try Soulseek. It's about 10000% better than Win MX.
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Huh, WinMX is absolutely free though!
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chopper
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Joined: July 13 2005
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:40 |
I don't agree with illegal downloading and file sharing. Bands like
Pendragon are struggling to survive and if everyone downloaded their
CDs for free, they would probably have to give up.
Having said that, I can't see any other way for them to get their music
heard, as they're not likely to get played on mainstream radio. I
confess to having downloaded music from bands like this, but once I
know if I like a band or not, I will buy their CDs.
This is a difficult question and there are no easy answers.
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James Lee
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:28 |
filesharing is to many people what radio was in the 60s/ 70s. If we were hearing good music anywhere
else, it wouldn't be so tempting. I rely on it, and friends'
recommendations, to decide on almost all of my music purchases. Sure,
it's abused...no argument. But unless an album turns out to be
completely crap (or crap except for the one song that's being pushed),
I always eventually buy it.
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horza
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Joined: August 31 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 2530
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:20 |
What about the music you bought and did'nt like? The internet allows us to make informed choices.How can it be theft? Its an mp3 file and some of these mp3 file persuaded me to be a consumer of a new band (Opeth)!!!
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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BePinkTheater
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Joined: September 01 2005
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:17 |
I would say 70% of the bands i listen to, i litsen to because of downloading. And then i buy merchendise, go to concerts( if their still alive) and buy cds and dvds.
I did the math one time to figure out how much money was spent by me directly, or inderectly( i told freinds and such) on dream theater stuff. Its over $600! so they cannot complain that i have downloaded half of their catalouge, cause if i didnt do that, they would have non of that money.
Bands, well at least good bands, are making more money because of downloading, as i just previously showed you.
so donwload away!
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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Syndromet
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Joined: May 16 2005
Location: Norway
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:17 |
I am also a starving student, witch mean I cant afford buying all the recoeds I want. I therefore use the opertunity to download and listen to music before I buy it. There is also a lot of music that I listen to ocationaly, but dont like good enough to spend money on. I think it is ok to download music as long as you suport the artists you think deserve it by buying their records.
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 It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
http://www.freewebs.com/ligyrophobia/
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jiggajake
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:13 |
i have one man, its called car payments, music isnt the thing that drives my life, i have a lot of sh*t i have to pay for, but i work for my money. And to be honest, usually the CD's i download that i really like i'll buy, if not i probably wouldnt have bought it anyway, so its not costing them money cause i owuldnt have bought it anyway
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gabbel ratchett
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Joined: March 20 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: September 10 2005 at 11:11 |
jiggajake wrote:
i buy cds, but i also download, because being aschoolboy i dont have the money to f**king fuel the amount of music i listen to, if you care to buy them for me so i wont download then be my guest, prog is supported through concerts and other merchandise as well as cds. If you want to put yourself on a level above us "criminals", then thats all you. |
Get a JOB.
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dead things don't talk too well, they've got a shaky sense of diction.
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