Too many Yes Epics

Snow Dog wrote: To get back on topic, I don't think that Yes has made too many Epics. Not enough maybe, but too many ...no!

I agree!  Yes needs to make another yummy epic!

How could you be arguing about Gates having no concept? Have you heard Close to the Edge!?! Or any other Yes song besides Gates for that matter?

Ty1020 wrote: Luke wrote: if you hear the concept congratulations, really maybe i should drop some acid maybe that would help. ok it is concept for you for many others to me it's too chaotic. What is that supposed to mean? It's really one of the most obvious concepts I've ever heard in a prog epic. Moreover, to say that it's "too chaotic" leads me to believe that you really haven't listened to very much prog. Sure, it's chaotic by Yes standards, but it's still a relatively straightforward song in the grand scheme of things. If you had said the same thing about Sound Chaser I might have been able to see where you were coming from (although I would have disagreed, as it's one of my favourite Yes songs), but Gates? I don't think so.

trust me i heard a lot of prog music. i love Emerson Lake & Palmer avant grade trips but there is something about ELP music Yes have never had. the answer is Keith Emerson.

Trouserpress wrote: Luke wrote: Ty1020 wrote: Trouserpress wrote: Luke wrote: fandango wrote: Luke wrote: Gates Of Delirium is even worse than Tales. i wonder how is it possible Yes created stuff like Going For The One which is really good and contains long pieces. I wouldn't go spreading your oppinion about Gates too loudly in this forum young Luke, you might find yourself tied to a telegraph pole wearing nothing but your undies...   thank you for saying i'm young, that's really nice someone finally said that. Gates would be really good if it had concept, progress and music... instead of that we got collection of sounds, pretty good collection but still just sounds. Gates is actually one of Yes' most easily understood epics, far more so than the spirtual claptrap of Tales. Gates of Delerium is an anti-war song. The first part deals with the people preparing for war, their doubts and fears. The second part, that loud jazzy instrumental section, is the war itself. The music is violent and explosive, filled with screaming and metallic clashing - isn't it obvious that this is musical war? The final part, "Soon", is Anderson's personal uplifting appeal for this madness to end. Yes never recorded a more lucid and moving piece. Concept by the bucketload, mate. Looks like Luke decided to ignore this post, probably because there's no reasonable argument one could come up with to deny it. Gates is a fantastic piece of music, simple as that.   no it's because i'm too lazy to read all posts, and btw i love apocalyptic lyrics so is it reason to like music because of apocalyptic lyrics? pure nonsense, the more important is music and music drives me, if lyrics are good that's bonus. Eh?! The point I was countering was that you said Gatse of Delerium HAD NO CONCEPT. THIS IS UNTRUE, as I and others have shown. A concept, in fact, that is found not only in the lyrics but the music itself. As I pointed out, the instrumental middle section is a musical representation of war. Are you completely unable to admit you're ever wrong?

if you hear the concept congratulations, really maybe i should drop some acid maybe that would help. ok it is concept for you for many others to me it's too chaotic.

Snow Dog wrote: Luke wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Luke wrote: fandango wrote: Luke wrote: Gates Of Delirium is even worse than Tales. i wonder how is it possible Yes created stuff like Going For The One which is really good and contains long pieces. I wouldn't go spreading your oppinion about Gates too loudly in this forum young Luke, you might find yourself tied to a telegraph pole wearing nothing but your undies...   thank you for saying i'm young, that's really nice someone finally said that. Gates would be really good if it had concept, progress and music... instead of that we got collection of sounds, pretty good collection but still just sounds. Man you are so up your own ass!   so you expected i would come and start kissing up? if i don't like something i say it. simple as that. No you don't just say it, you slate it!  Calling Gates just sounds though????!!! Plain ridiculous! You said Gates would be really good if it had concept, progress and music... It has all of these in abundance, I don't understand why you can't see it!!

i'm not fidning concept there, it's just something about to be concept maybe they should work more on it, ok maybe there's progress cos music is definitely more violent than before but due to that music is just lame. and not enough music as for that epic song.