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hukt on fonikzz 
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 Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:08 |
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Shack Man
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 22:19 |
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Extraordinary how potent cheap music is...
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 21:57 |
 ulver982 wrote:
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Damen wrote:
ulver982 wrote:
but even better then all, the drummer in the White Stripes. She's crazy on the drums...watch out neil!
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I hope that's sarcasm 
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That band is NOT about the drums....it fits the song, and if she's so bad, what should she do to make it sound "better"?
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What?? She could a million and one things to make White Stripes better. Maybe a fill once in awhile would help.
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I've yet to hear a song by them that the drums Don't work with the song......it's the Less is More style taken to the extreme, but hey, if you don't like it, whatever.
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:55 |
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Drew
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:50 |
Peart- will always be the best in my eyes- seemed like he was the 1st to pull off many tracks on the set- everyone else that follows is simply a great replica- (if thats possible- ie, Portnoy)
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rushaholic
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 19:03 |
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I get tired of threads like these. Some of us
think that Neil is absolutely the best drummer ever. Others
(specifically dallasbryan and some others who posted in this thread)
obviously don't for whatever reason. However, I think anyone with
an open mind and without bias would admit he is one of the best.
As for the next Neil Peart - probably Portnoy but I don't even think he comes close.
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bartok
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 18:34 |
I don't know, "O Baterista" is a pretty jaw-dropping 8 minutes of drum solo and spectacle. Do the Cobhams, Colautas, and Collins of the world really have anything equivalent in their repertoires? Not really. The performance really speaks for itself - that's 1 guy creating all that sound - and there's a reason he's famous for it, because it's damn impressive. Compare that to the dual drumming of Bruford & Mastoletto or Collins & Thompson - it takes at least 2 guys to even come close to Peart's energy (the only exception might be Terry Bozzio, who is also pretty much a one man drumming machine). Sure, Colaiuta and Gadd and others may have more technique/fluidity/spontaneity in a jazz setting, but how would they hack it in Rush? Can they rock out for 2 1/2 hour shows? There's a big difference between drumming light adult-oriented pop for Sting or laid-back Zappa jazz rock and having to power-down on the drums for a rock gig. However talented those guys are, they quite simply do not have anything as intense as Peart.
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hukt on fonikzz
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 16:23 |
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Cygnus
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 14:15 |
[QUOTE=Retrovertigo]There are a giant amount of drummers in prog that are better than Neil Peart. Even when Peart was in his prime. Vinnie Colaiuta anybody? [/QUOTE
Giant amount?? Realy?? Oh there must be something wrong on sites like "drummerworld" or "modern drummer". They never mentioned any giant amount as the most influental and creative drummer but Peart.
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Shack Man
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 14:03 |
hukt on fonikzz wrote:
Shack Man wrote:
being overrated is not an opinion, neil peart lived up to his glory, and you can't just say he is overrated because you prefer other drummers. |
how is it not an opinion "i think neil peart is overrated"
it isnt a fact is it? or can you somehow answer that question for me...
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You only think he is overrated, so what you think is wrong, because Neil Peart has lived up to his glory.
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floydaholic
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 13:24 |
bumheed7 wrote:
Retrovertigo wrote:
There are a giant amount of drummers in prog that are better than Neil Peart. Even when Peart was in his prime. Vinnie Colaiuta anybody? |
off of? my extensive prog knowledge is poor
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Colaiuta is definitely more skilled as a drummer but i'm not too sure about him being as impactful, innovative or creative as peart.
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I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon...
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Flip_Stone
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 13:16 |
Peart is good, but he's very-much overrated. His problem is that once he lays down his drum tracks on the albums, he just duplicates/copies them live, with little or no improvisation. That's a very stale, lame, and limiting approach to take for any musician. Just kind of like going through the motions in robot form.
Now, we should point out that he is a very well-read person, very intelligent, and has great writing skills. The large role he has in writing lyrics and books, is a big plus not only for drummers, but any musicians.
Back to the original question, there are many drummers out there at the same level and higher than Peart. Familiar names like Bill Bruford, Terry Bozzio, Pat Mastelloto, Phil Collins, Narada Michael Walden, to name a few. Than there are younger, less-known drummers that deserve note (though none come to mind at the moment).
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bumheed7
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:37 |
Retrovertigo wrote:
There are a giant amount of drummers in prog that are better than Neil
Peart. Even when Peart was in his prime. Vinnie Colaiuta
anybody?
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off of? my extensive prog knowledge is poor
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richardh
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:18 |
Zoltan Csorz ex Flower Kings
Portnoy is too much like a drum machine and a tad one dimensional.The more I listen to him the less impressed I am.Zoltan can create very good 'feel' in his playing but also cut loose if needed.Peart's strength is his dexterity.He has the technical skills and good 'feel' so Zoltan is the nearest thing to a new Neil Peart.Danny Carey is also a very fine drummer,not far behind Csorz.
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Retrovertigo
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 06:45 |
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There are a giant amount of drummers in prog that are better than Neil
Peart. Even when Peart was in his prime. Vinnie Colaiuta
anybody?
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floydaholic
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 00:04 |
DarHobo wrote:
floydaholic wrote:
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I think Peart is overrated, I am a drummer myself and the solo to YYZ isn't that amazing, its average. I mean, seriously most of his ability comes with the fact that he has a huge set. All he has to do is do a standard roll 4 miles long from one side of his set on the 2" tom and end it on the other side on his 60" inch floor tom, and there ya' go the classic peart sound.
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I disagree. He is pretty damn skilled to play such a large set well. Though he doesn't use cymbals as much as the more skilled jazz drummers do he has more drum pieces than they do and makes good use of them. He is an incredible rock drummer.
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Yes he is a great drummer, but with the set thing, I know this guy who truely sucks at drums but now he has about a 10 piece and because of the huge set can sound decent. Becasue more is there, there is more to roll on. He can now just hit each tom in a 2 stroke succession from high to low and make a decent sounding roll because there is so much, but if he was on a standard 5-piece, thats another story.
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Peart makes great use of his set though. PErhaps not as great in studio performacnes but in his live stuff he uses a many different patterns and even this cool little xylophone type thing. I doubt your friend is as innovative as peart who has even been known to include hints of jazz in his playing with traditional style play at times and using Steve Gadds drum fill. No one else that i know of is capable of such skill with a large set(Besides Bozzio who is unbelievably skilled).
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ulver982
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:48 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
Damen wrote:
ulver982 wrote:
but even better then all, the drummer in the White Stripes. She's crazy on the drums...watch out neil!
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I hope that's sarcasm
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That band is NOT about the drums....it fits the song, and if she's so bad, what should she do to make it sound "better"?
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What?? She could a million and one things to make White Stripes better. Maybe a fill once in awhile would help.
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DarHobo
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:11 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Some other drummers also deserving a mention:
Christian Vander-Magma
Martin Lopez-Opeth
Paul Cook-IQ
Jason Rullo-Symphony X
Nick D'Virgilio-Spock's Beard
Billy Cobham-Mahavishnu Orchestra and Miles Davis
Besides Vander I never see anyone giving these excellent drummers their props.
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Yes, they are all good drummers but its true they never get mentioned.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 22:34 |
Some other drummers also deserving a mention:
Christian Vander-Magma
Martin Lopez-Opeth
Paul Cook-IQ
Jason Rullo-Symphony X
Nick D'Virgilio-Spock's Beard
Billy Cobham-Mahavishnu Orchestra and Miles Davis
Besides Vander I never see anyone giving these excellent drummers their props.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 22:27 |
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I don't think any drummer out there is the "next" Neil Peart because the Professor is in a class by himself.A few drummers besides Neil that I admire are Dennis Chambers(very underrated,I never see his name mentioned that much in drum topics),Mike Portnoy and Danny Carey.
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