Fascism for Freedom

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   The two ideals, freedom and lack thereof, can't exist in their extremes together. They'd each have to apply only to certain parts of the policy or to certain parts of the population. For instance: Maybe everything is legal, except dissenting to the style of government, which is punishable by death. Maybe the government has cameras set up in every house and on every street corner to make sure that doesn't happen. Maybe everything is legal except for African Americans. etc.

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Polymorphia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856	Posted: November 21 2015 at 10:00
	The two ideals, freedom and lack thereof, can't exist in their extremes together. They'd each have to apply only to certain parts of the policy or to certain parts of the population. For instance: Maybe everything is legal, except dissenting to the style of government, which is punishable by death. Maybe the government has cameras set up in every house and on every street corner to make sure that doesn't happen. Maybe everything is legal except for African Americans. etc.
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Formentera Lady Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 20 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1840	Posted: November 21 2015 at 09:32
	It is not possible because the concepts contradict each other. Fascism always means discrimination: discrimination of people, groups, nations, cultures etc. from each other and in the course it also means gradation of the groups, nations etc. Freedom on the other hand means a positive relationship among the people: freedom always means also the freedom of others. I would not be in a free society if I see people around me who are not free. So it contradicts discrimination and gradation, and therefore also the concept of fascism.
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Toaster Mantis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898	Posted: November 21 2015 at 02:41
	Looks like something Hans-Hermann Hoppe might come up with. For those who don't know, he's a libertarian philosopher who's come up with a classically liberal argument not just against parliamentary democracy but for absolute monarchy and other autocratic government forms. In short, he's the person who bridges the gap between Mises and Marinetti. Far-right politics often play like an ideological version of Rule 34: If you can think of a political position existing somewhere in logical space, someone from that subculture will defend it!
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Man With Hat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183	Posted: November 21 2015 at 00:46
	I suppose the label might be slightly different, but I have to imagine as the leader of a fascist state you can do as you please.
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Vompatti Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67452	Posted: November 21 2015 at 00:16
	It wouldn't work if the freedom was for everyone. The majority would use their free doms to take away the free doms of others. The best thing about fascism is the lack of freedom for the plebs.

Atavachron Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65616	Posted: November 20 2015 at 23:40
	Is such a thing even possible? And if so, would that represent some nightmarish totalitarian-enforced democratic utopia? Forgive me if some science fiction author has written just such a novel (one could argue there are many;Orwell comes to mind, though that was by most standards a dark and tormented life, not the Grecian fantasms of idyllic myth), or if some tyrannic despot I don't know about already tried to lethally enforce peace and freedom (hey wait, that rings a bell). Many of history's forced regimes must have, on some twisted level, thought they were doing what was best; What was necessary for their culture as they saw it. But is the notion even tenable, and for that matter conceivable, that such a state could develop? And how exactly would it look?
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