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oliverstoned 
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 Posted: September 02 2005 at 15:13 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 15:11 |
^ ah....you did answer my question. I'm really sorry, I didn't see it! many appologies Mike! 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 15:07 |
 MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Why don't you save your music as .wav files instead, is it not better than .wma lossless?
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WMA Lossless is about 50% smaller, but all the information of the WAV is preserved (like a ZIP file).
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Snow Dog: Was it this question? WMA Lossless is really great ... there are other lossless formats than WMA Lossless, and their quality is identical - a perfect copy of the CD. If you fancy an iPod, you can also choose Apple Lossless ...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 14:39 |
Mike, can you answer my previous question please!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 14:05 |
That's insane. It leads NOWHERE. I can enjoy music even on a crappy mobile radio ... I listen to music, not perfect sound.
I even agree that vinyl CAN sound superior to digital media.
But the topic of the thread was to compare HiFi CD players to digital media played on the computer and transported to the amp via digital connection.
So oliverstoned: What is the definite explanation for the CD player being superior to the digital signal from the computer? I'm talking about facts, like something from a scientific study ... something better than "come here and listen for yourself".
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philippe
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 13:08 |
ça s'enflamme ici!!! long life to the vinyl source 
Edited by philippe
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 13:00 |
Here's mine:
(naka 1000)
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:56 |
Let's talk about serious sources...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:54 |
You can record direct concerts from the radio for example (best source possible with vynil)...
I find it less ugly than this crappy box:
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:51 |
oliverstoned wrote:
There are four sources: CD, Tape, Tuner and vynil.
1 numeric and three analog.
Cd is the worst source...
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It is the only source for me. Sorry, I won't buy vinyls ... that ship has sailed.
oliverstoned wrote:
Don't be a slave of marketing.
A good tape deck like the one up is a fantastic source. |
 But it's ugly.
Besides ... why should I buy a tapedeck, when all I could do is copy my CD's to tape ...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:47 |
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There are four sources: CD, Tape, Tuner and vynil.
1 numeric and three analog.
Cd is the worst source...
Don't be a slave of marketing.
A good tape deck like the one up is a fantastic source.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:25 |
Go away.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 12:18 |
Know that this little wonder smokes (on a MUSICALITY criteria)even the BEST DIGITAL SYSTEMS of the world.
NAKAMICHI 1000zxl BEST DECK EVER
Gold version
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:54 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Why don't you save your music as .wav files instead, is it not better than .wma lossless?
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WMA Lossless is about 50% smaller, but all the information of the WAV is preserved (like a ZIP file).
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:35 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
"the topic here is PC vs. top-notch CD player, both digitally connected to an amp.<SPAN =smText>" </SPAN> |
Nice joke!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
cobb wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Edit: Please let's keep amp & speakers out of this discussion - the topic here is PC vs. top-notch CD player, both digitally connected to an amp.
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I don't get the point of your thread with this edit. Are you just asking whether you think the pc can act as the player connected to your lounge room hifi, just as well as cd player can? Sure, why not? Isn't this the whole purpose of the new media centre pc's?
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Yes - I think that I can rip my entire CD collection to my PC in a lossless format and use Winamp to listen to the songs. Provided that the soundcard is connected to a really good amp & speakers using a digital interface, the music should sound identical compared to playing it on a HiFi CD player, which is connected to the same amp via a digital cable.
oliverstoned disagrees strongly, so I'm interested about other people's opinions about this.
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Why don't you save your music as .wav files instead, is it not better than .wma lossless?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:30 |
"the topic here is PC vs. top-notch CD player, both digitally connected to an amp."
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:27 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Tube amps are better than transistor amps in the highs, agreed. Can we move on now? |
Move on to what?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:27 |
Look at this one: Kora, excellent french amps:
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 02 2005 at 11:15 |
Tube amps are better than transistor amps in the highs, agreed. Can we move on now?
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