lack of metal knowledge in some reviews

CCVP wrote: 1800iareyay wrote: CCVP wrote: true, but there are a lot of "ghost" profiles that exists only to sabotage or to boost album's grades. Thats unfair man, both kinds of ghost profile. Yeah, but spamming ratings without reviews (which is what "saboteurs" do) has almost no effect at all, as the current weighting system gives almost no power to a rating submitted without a review. Also, a large portion of spam ratings are caught, so it's more of a mild irritation than any problem. but they still cause a large problem. Check protest the hero's album a see the amount of ratings without reviews or with REALLY short reviews. Thats an example.

Well, you could say their new album hasn't really balanced out, I guess, but it looks to me that the album has more positive reception than negative... and it's current average of 3.57 is right above " Excellent addition to any prog music collection" . Sounds fine to me.
And Kezia has very favorable reviews.

ClassicRocker wrote: CCVP wrote: ClassicRocker wrote: CCVP wrote: yeah, i know. A lot of old people love metal, but HERE on progarchives there are a lot of people that hate it a keep sabotaging it. And that pisses me off. Expressing one's negative opinion of any album can't truly be considered "sabotage." As Jake already said, the spiteful reviews are removed - otherwise, it's just different tastes. true, but there are a lot of "ghost" profiles that exists only to sabotage or to boost album's grades. Thats unfair man, both kinds of ghost profile. That can be true but only to a degree. Now I'm not extremely keen on metal (I listen to some, though), but it seems that usually the "big" albums are the ones that are really tried to be sabotaged. In these cases, people that show up and just post a few negative reviews don't really do a lot of damage. If any given album has over 100 reviews and a non-collab writes a review, it's minimal change for the album's "score", and does virtually nothing if it is only a rating (sans review). It also seems that people whose accounts have been banned from the Archives or have simply expired (?) still have their reviews/ratings counted, but it still doesn't do much. I suppose those deleted accounts should have their reviews/ratings deleted, too, though. EDIT: ...or just what he said ^^^

Agreed, banned or expired accounts should be deleted with their ratings.

CCVP wrote: ClassicRocker wrote: CCVP wrote: yeah, i know. A lot of old people love metal, but HERE on progarchives there are a lot of people that hate it a keep sabotaging it. And that pisses me off. Expressing one's negative opinion of any album can't truly be considered "sabotage." As Jake already said, the spiteful reviews are removed - otherwise, it's just different tastes. true, but there are a lot of "ghost" profiles that exists only to sabotage or to boost album's grades. Thats unfair man, both kinds of ghost profile.

That can be true but only to a degree. Now I'm not extremely keen on metal (I listen to some, though), but it seems that usually the "big" albums are the ones that are really tried to be sabotaged. In these cases, people that show up and just post a few negative reviews don't really do a lot of damage. If any given album has over 100 reviews and a non-collab writes a review, it's minimal change for the album's "score", and does virtually nothing if it is only a rating (sans review).

It also seems that people whose accounts have been banned from the Archives or have simply expired (?) still have their reviews/ratings counted, but it still doesn't do much. I suppose those deleted accounts should have their reviews/ratings deleted, too, though.

EDIT: ...or just what he said ^^^


Edited by ClassicRocker - May 03 2008 at 22:04

avalanchemaster wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: If you think a band is experimental or progressive enough to fit into one of our 3 pm subs,please propose them in the Suggest section. how does this work?  I am sort of new to this board, have lurked for some time.....

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in my case (as an 'oldie'), I actually started my musical journey with metal and blues rock, then came into prog, so I love both..  but that's just me I guess

TheProgtologist wrote: If you think a band is experimental or progressive enough to fit into one of our 3 pm subs,please propose them in the Suggest section.

how does this work?  I am sort of new to this board, have lurked for some time.....

If you think a band is experimental or progressive enough to fit into one of our 3 pm subs,please propose them in the Suggest section.

well, I will say that most of my all time favorite Metal albums will most likely never be reviewed in the Archives, but its not the Metal Archives its the Prog Archives....so a lot of Black, Death and Doom albums that I personally consider to be "progressive" and "experimental" in their own right will never make it into the archives either but thats okay, my jaw would literally hit the floor if any reviewer on the prog archives realizes the mind-warping brilliance of Nuclear Death! haha! if they do though then a high-five to them, 

Edited by mithrandir - May 03 2008 at 21:50

avalanchemaster wrote: CCVP, thanks for seeing "my side"....  cheers.

no sweat man, i love progressive rock more that prog metal, but one thing that gets my nerves are people that put others down only to fit one's own amusement. So i have raged myself many times with this injustice and think its nice to finally find someone that think alike me.

avalanchemaster wrote: Trademark wrote: If I gave an album a 1 star review, (I don't review much, if at all) it would be to warn other people away from a release I found to be sub-standard based on my own specific criteria.  Anyone is then free to heed my warning or not..  Prog-Metal bores me to tears so I do't listen to it, but it isn't because I haven't tried it out.  I have well over 75 PM releases in my collection covering all the major bases.  At the end of that 6 year attempt to enjoy it I gave up.  Our reviews and views are not always based on a lack of information.  Sometimes they are the result of several years of patient attempts to find new music to enjoy. fair enough.  It is not for everyone.  Hell, it is not even my main love musically, so why do I care?  maybe I am just splitting hairs, as really "one man's trash..........." perhaps it is safe to say that any genre once explored to it's terminal ends, can become tiresome?

I dont think that this is the case of prog metal man, after all, its only a couple of decades old and prog rock is 4 decades old. . .

i think that the main issue is that prog metal is way to new and is not pleasant to many old and tired ears used to some kind of music that is way softer than metal. Besides, its hard to make an old dog learn old tricks, so if most of today's prog lovers dont like prog metal, its fine: the next generation is liking it and will like it, maybe more than traditional prog rock (there are more reviews on Dream theater albums than on a lot of traditional legends).