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E-Dub 
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Whether it was the right thing to do or not, I think they went in to the studio to make an album that was 180° from Marbles. That disc has almost developed iconic status within the Marillion discography, but I don't think they dared repeating it. Same can be said with the follow up to Brave. It got so far away from the Brave formula. I think it's good for a band to do that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Still, "Somewhere Else" is still one of my favorite Marillion songs. Amazing song. E |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 20:21 |
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Somewhere Else is just not remarkable. I'd give it 2.5/5 (mostly because I need to stop homogenizing my ratings). The title song is excellent, "The Wound," "The Last Century for Man, "and "A Voice from the Past" are great, "The Other Half," "Faith," and "No Such Thing" are pretty good, and everything else is kind of annoying and mediocre. I don't mind this album, but it gets a mild regard for having little character. Even marillion.com has more charm to it that Somewhere Else.
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 20:08 |
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I'm a bigger fan of the latter part of the Fish era than the earlier part. As far as that era goes, I'd get Clutching At Straws.
You really need to add Brave. It's simply a stunning disc. Very emotional and atmospheric. Marbles, Afraid Of Sunlight, Seasons End and Happiness Is The Road would come next. E |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 18:32 |
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I really enjoy marillion and have heard alot of stuff (from both era) through last.fm but only own a physical copy of misplaced childhood, which should i get on cd next? do i continue getting the fish era records then move on to the hogarth era? im very open to any album (they arent exactly alot of money on amazon;)
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 18:00 |
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Actually, Chester brings up a whole new discussion: Somewhere Else. I've heard a lot of mixed messages with this release...with a lot of negatives that seem to outnumber the positives. So much so that I guess Mike Hunter really got upset over the backlash (h even mentions it on one of the FRC discs [I think the London Forum gig on the HITR tour). What does everyone think about it? Personally, I love it. I still enjoy it quite a bit and it has two of my all time favorites in "The Other Half" and "Somewhere Else". It's nowhere near Brave, but I think it suffers from coming after Marbles.
And, Chester, you really need to listen to Marbles.  E |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 17:24 |
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I first got into Marillion with the album Misplaced Childhood back in 85. I loved the dark lyrics and the early-genesis sound that they captured, of course with an 80's feel. Then I got SFAJT, which took me quite awhile to get into. At first, I only liked the title track. But, as with a lot of prog, after many listens it grew on me more and more. Then I got Fugazi, which I liked a lot, but not as much as the other two. Then CAS came out, and again, it took me quite awhile to get into, but once I did, it became my favorite Marillion album and remains so to this day.
When Season's End came out, I was expecting to be disappointed, but was quite pleasantly surprised by what I found there. And this one remains among my favorites today. A little disappointed with their sophomore effort with h when it first came out, and still find it one of their poppier efforts, but it has grown on me over the years, and I find it quite an enjoyable listen. While Brave is probably their most expansive concept in their history, I have always had trouble with this album for reasons that are still unknown to me to this day.
But then they hit with two masterpieces in a row for me. AoS and TSE were both incredible albums and when I play them today, there's still something new I discover. Was very disappointed with Radiation and Marillion.com though, which caused me to skip Anoraknophobia and Marbles (although I later acquired Marbles, I still have yet to give it a listen
 ). Got Somewhere Else though and liked it quite a lot as well as Happiness is the Road. Looking forward to their next one. And to listening to Marbles finally. One thing that I really like about h-era Marillion is that they are not a stagnant band. They always seem to be moving on, exploring new territory, and while I may not always like the direction they move in, they eventually come around to territory I like.
I would talk about Fish's solo career, of which I'm also a huge fan, but then this would be a much longer post.
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:55 |
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By all means. Does it have the bonus disc, which has a stirring performance of "Ocean Cloud"? E |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:54 |
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And get the expanded edition through Racket. You get the second night (sans Marbles), which includes songs such as "Quartz", "Afraid Of Sunlight", "Easter", etc. Somewhere In London is probably my favorite. I did see snippits of the upcoming DVD from this past year's convention in Holland, and it looks to be their slickest production yet. E |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:52 |
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Netflix has "Somewhere in London" on DVD. Shall I try that one out?
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I've often wondered that. Who knows what would've happened. After reading the book Separated Out, I think by that time the two camps needed to get away from each other. From what I understand, Fish and Rothery darn near came to blows several times during the recording of Clutching At Straws. In answering your question, I doubt if Marillion would even be around today had Fish stayed on. I seriously don't. E |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:50 |
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Did anyone read interviews about the band members feelings about the conceptual Brave video? I can't imagine they were satisfied with that. And I wonder why they tried something so literal, especially once they saw the early screenplay...
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I've loved Anoraknophobia since the first time I heard it. I think the current trend they have of producing 2 critically acclaimed albums started with Anoraknophobia. I have a tough time with This Strange Engine and Dotcom (even though "This Strange Engine" and "Interior Lulu" are top shelf), but think they were on to something with Anoraknophobia. Last night I watched the Before First Light DVD (Afraid Of Sunlight in it's entirety at the 2003 convention, plus "Faith" and "Easter") and got to thinking that the crowd had no idea what they had in store for them the following year. They were still in the middle of recording Marbles, so the crowd was clueless as to the brilliance they were about to experience. E |
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It's very cool. They re-create the stage show from the actual Brave tour. Even though Hogarth doesn't get into the stage antics like Fish, he did add theatrics during this tour. For example: slowly destroying a bouquet of roses during "Runaway" or having 3 masked men dragging him off during the final parts of "Hard As Love". Greg Walker actually has copies of Marillion's final performance on the Brave tour in Mexico City called Chemicals In The Water. They played a huge arena on a massive stage in front of thousands, so it's great to see this massive production. The only problem is Hogarth is having problems with his keyboards and only the piano function was working; so, he couldn't really do anything during songs like "The Great Escape", "Easter", etc., but could play piano during "Hollow Man" and such. As for the Brave Live 2002 DVD and CD, they're both out of print...which I find unfortunate. Glad I have my copies, though. E |
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I bought 'Anoraknophobia' as my first Marillion CD a few days ago and I love it. I'm suprised it's rated so low on this site, because there are a few songs on there ('This Is The 21st Century') that are phenomenal.
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I know all the cd of Marillion, Brave and Marbles are really good and i could add Seasons End. One think is sure with this band. They are one of the most productive bands on earth, with a cd and a dvd each year. Do you think that if Fish was still there, the band would have put that much albums? Edited by rdtprog - July 26 2009 at 13:45 |
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The film was a real disappointment, but I think that is really because it is one of those albums where the story and the sheer emotion of the girl throwing herself off Bristol Severn Bridge is simply something that has to be imagined in your own head. There are some pieces that should not be committed to video or film - strangely enough, I thought the same with the movie of The Wall. It spoiled for me the images I had in my head. Eric is right about the live DVD, it is awesome. I would also recommend that all visitors to this thread get Marbles On The Road as well, which I think is the finest live recording of this or any other band in existence.  |
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Posted: July 26 2009 at 13:01 |
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Live DVD sounds tantalizing......
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Oh, the movie was excruciating. A buddy loaned it to me and very glad I didn't get it. I was referring to the live performance DVD through Racket. E |
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Eric, I loved Brave as you know, but to be completely honest I thought the conceptual film rather sucked. Check my review if you want the reasons why, but what did you think?
Weren't you disappointed that video represents such a fine album? |
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 Do you have Marbles? I think that one (and Brave) is still the high water mark for the Hogarth era. That's just me, though. On night one after SE, "The Bell And The Sea" and "The Release", they did nothing but new material from HITR and it killed. "The Man From Planet Marzipan" was especially cool. Night #2 they were playing a song or two from every album since Hogarth joined (plus "Slainte Mhath" and "Garden Party") and they included "State Of Mind", which had been oddly omitted from the tour. It's actually one of my favorite songs from the new album and it was incredible live. One of the highlights from that night. E |
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