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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 23:39
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
Sorry to disagree Tristan, but Kansas has no Christian relation in Leftoverture (1976), by the contrary this was the ardest time for Kerry in spiritual issues, he reched an almost total disbelief in the next album with songs as Dust in the Wind that almost debnies the existence of anything after life.


That's kind of funny - a Dutch Christian radio station used to play Dust in the Wind in a religious music show every Wednessday for almost a year when I was in high school. Guess they had a different interpretation of the lyrics....
 
 
I was in Florida many years ago and while  zapping ons Saturday morning, I found Kerry Livegren speaking in 700 Club.
 
He was almost harrassed by the guys in the show asking him how a Christian could write that crap. Steve Walsh spéaks about this same issue:
 
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K2K: The story that I had always gotten was that, after you left, Kerry had become a Born-Again Christian...
 
SW: Yes.
 
K2K: ... and had come upon the realization that "Dust In The Wind, lyrically, was bulls*** because it was anti-Christian, and the fact expressed was that we really are nothing and there is no God and we're just dust in the wind.
 
SW: Oh man, he was on the 700 Club and they grilled him. It was embarrassing. Oh, it was Pat Robertson sitting right across from Kerry and he said that exact thing. "If you're a Born-Again Christian, how could you write this?" I was sitting there watching it thinking, "S***, I sure am glad that I'm not sitting there."
 
K2K: But he wrote that before he became Born Again, didn't he?
SW: Yes.
 
K2K: Well then, there's the answer right there. I don't see why they would grill him over it. We all make mistakes.
SW: Yes. They're going to gravitate toward anything that's famous.
 
K2K: So is that part of the reason why he quit the band?
SW: The reason was that the lyrics were just getting... Kerry, at that point when he was writing "Dust In The Wind" and "The Wall" and "Carry On My Wayward Son" and all, he was on a journey, man. I was along because he wrote some great stuff. But, once he found himself, I just couldn't empathize with the salvation that he was trying to get me to put across to masses and masses of people. It just didn't fly
 
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It's clear that:

  1. Kerry had not became a Christian yet
  2. The Christian Fundamentalists attacked him for the lyrics
  3. Dust in the wind is not a Christian song, check this phrases:

I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind.
Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do, crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

Dust in the wind,
all we are is dust in the wind

[Now] Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy.

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind
Dust in the wind, everything is dust in the

Any guy who believes this is Christian is wacko. LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 21:00
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:


Guess they had a different interpretation of the lyrics....


the start beauty of those words Angelo  should not be lost in the various tossing about of opinions as if they were fact...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 18:46
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 
Sorry to disagree Tristan, but Kansas has no Christian relation in Leftoverture (1976), by the contrary this was the ardest time for Kerry in spiritual issues, he reched an almost total disbelief in the next album with songs as Dust in the Wind that almost debnies the existence of anything after life.


That's kind of funny - a Dutch Christian radio station used to play Dust in the Wind in a religious music show every Wednessday for almost a year when I was in high school. Guess they had a different interpretation of the lyrics....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 18:29
^^ Neal's the only good one, because he really cares more about the music than the message. He knows people are listening for the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2008 at 14:45
I don't much listen to music for the lyrics, I listen for the MUSIC, thank you

however it is depressing as a Christian to see all these "faith inspired" bands that sound IDENTICAL and seem to have no soul populating the 'Christian rock' scene.....they're the blandest of the bland, musically AND lyrically. I believe it was a Simpsons episode where a female country singer became a rock star (or something like that it's been years since I've seen it). She said "oh it's easy, the songs are the same except change "Jesus" to "baby" ". Suffice to say I've never heard Christian "alternative" the same LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 11:43
sh*t, atheists never have these problems.   LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2008 at 18:53
Yeah, it's all how the individual looks at the music. For me, Vai's "Whispering a Prayer" evokes some strong emotions in myself, some Christian spiritual reflection. However, this isn't even tru for Vai because he's some type of Hindu.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2008 at 17:19
That's intriguing, SilverSean. Instrumental Christian Prog ftw!(?)LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2008 at 17:05
I am a Christian, too, and I've done some research into Christian prog. I really haven't found much that I enjoy. There are certainly some bands that have Christian-influenced lyrics, and that's great for me, but generally I think the most powerful message is one said without words.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2008 at 15:17
I take your point about sound vs content. What is the ranking you have at the bottom of your post?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2008 at 13:00
Iona is a shamefully overlooked band in the larger prog community. Perhaps because of their Christian theme? Anyway, the Book of Kells is a very beautiful album, you should chekc out!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2008 at 01:46
Originally posted by Tristan Campbell Tristan Campbell wrote:

Here are a couple of prog bands I like that have some Christian influence:
Kansas - in particular the album Leftoverture
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Sorry to disagree Tristan, but Kansas has no Christian relation in Leftoverture (1976), by the contrary this was the ardest time for Kerry in spiritual issues, he reched an almost total disbelief in the next album with songs as Dust in the Wind that almost debnies the existence of anything after life.
 
Kerry got involved with a strange faith called The Urantia Book on 1979, almost inmediately rejected the Urantia doctrine and became a Christian in late 1979
 
Only in Monolith you can find some Christian referemnces in Kansas and precisely this conversion was the cause of the split of the band, first Steve Walsh and later Robby Syeinhardt left Kansas because they didn't agree with the secular line Kansas was taking.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2008 at 15:24
Originally posted by kiwi kiwi wrote:


May be we need a new category Spiritual Prog? so a lot of music that may not in an inclusive way seek to elevate our thinking can be found more easily.

That's unnecessary. Christian Prog would be a description of CONTENT, while a genre is meant to be a description of SOUND.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2008 at 14:02
Hi Mike,
I find music great for changing my state and elevating my thinking. We are what we eat and if we fill our heads with uplifting music it can only be good for us and the wider world. A lot of rock is angry young man music and many bands make an art of angst. You mentioned ELP - I remember agreeing with their lyrics "can you believe God made you breathe, why did he lose 6,000,000 Jews?" when I was young. But now I am a Baha'i and I see the world needing the vision that only religion can sustainably provide.

I find Yes's music uplifting (e.g. In the Presence of..) but unfortunately even many who are spiritually driven such as Jon Anderson regard organised religion as a problem.

Another one who I have found inspiring lately is Paul Simon. His "Surprises" has significant input from Eno.  His lyrics are beautiful. He asks "who's going to love you when your looks are gone?" and answers "God will, like he waters the flowers on the window sill". (And if Graceland wasn't progressive, what is?).

May be we need a new category Spiritual Prog? so a lot of music that may not in an inclusive way seek to elevate our thinking can be found more easily.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2008 at 07:34
My favourite bands are on the Space Rock side - Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Oceansize etc...  In terms of Christian music - does anyone know what most closely resembles this?

PS - Does anyone have a problem in listening to "Supper's Ready" by Genesis - being a Christian?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2008 at 19:51
I live in North Carolina, part of the southern United States' Bible Belt. Many of my friends listen to Christian rock, and none of them care that I am an agnostic, because they put friendship above their personal beliefs. They only extol the virtues of Christian rock bands because they are entertaining musicians! They just like to listen to good rock music, and they happen to be pious as well. More power to 'em, I say.
What's terrible is when Christian rock bands are *only* about Jesus and God. That's the most uninteresting thing in the world to a non-Christian. However, the most popular Christian bands, like Reliant K:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_K#Relient_K_as_a_Christian_band
and Switchfoot (man, look at those classy influences):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchfoot#Influences
are actually just rock bands who used Christian rock as an entrance into the music world. Their music is much more subtle than that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2008 at 19:29

It's great to hear from someone who thinks similarly to myself. I am also a Christian dissapointed with mainstream Christian music.

Music is a means of expressing feelings and hopefully Christians will have their faith in the top of their minds and want to speak about it.

I think the thing that really irks me is that people think that to be Christian means you have to be happy and nice all the time, and this view is reflected in Christian music. There is reason to feel other emotions. The world is still fallen, Christ himself got angry and upset. It is okay to lament as illustrated in the Psalms and Job in particular.

Here are a couple of prog bands I like that have some Christian influence:
Kansas - in particular the album Leftoverture
Dream Theater - not strictly Christian, but the influence is there, see the song Glass Prison on Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
 
Hope to hear more discussion on this topic and more about any Christian influenced bands that are good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2008 at 09:52
I don't know of any Christian Prog bands, but I get my spiritual musical kicks from Gamelan or darkpsy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 02:48
Actually I think that the ELP lyrics that you cite are not anti-God, though they are perhaps anti-Religion. Karn Evil 9: 1st impression, seems to me to be about the rather chaotic speeds at which our society moves, as evidenced by its fast tempo, and its weird lyrics that skip from one thing to the next, from a "real blade of grass" to  "soon the gypsy queen in a glaze of Vaseline will perform a guillotine". So I think that the lyrics about Jesus are more condemning the use of Jesus as a marketing tool, or as a flashy spectacle, than they are condemning Jesus or the Christian faith.

I don't know if someone already said this, if so, I'm sorry, but I think if you look at the context of where that line is in the song, you will understand its meaning better than if you try to analyze it by itself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2007 at 20:07
i don't generally like "Christian music" because i think the music is very washed out and bland. also as a christian, i find the idea of using Jesus as a marketing tool offensive.  i think tons of christian music bands out there do it because they lack the ability to produce original music. of course i dont think that applies to all bands but case in point, i won't ever feel i need to listen to music that i dont like just because it's labeled christian.

yes, christians do have a obligation to share their faith (i mean, if you find music you think is really great you tell your friends about it right?). i do not however feel that it has to be beaten into everything a person does. in fact, i think it's rather inappropriate to spew out generic messages that anyone kind find in the bible to an anonymous audience. nobody wants to become a christian because they heard some crappy music with preachy lyrics. it's just like handing out religious pamphlets on the street. nobody really takes them seriously and most people (including myself) are just annoyed by strangers trying to tell you what to do.


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