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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:33

It did a long time ago when prog electronic, kraut and avant categories were added, since many artists there aren't remotedly rock

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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:31

I'd like to see more modern progressive music on the non or quasi rock side here -- as long as as the place is well organised with more categories.

Rather like the Art Rock category, I'm not keen on the Prog Related category because it's too eclectic in terms of diversity of bands' styles. Nebulous... Multi-tagging would help.

It would be ridiculous to change the domain name of this site at this stage, but I do think this could be ProgArchives.com Your ultimate modern progressive music resource. Sure Prog is short for Progressive Rock rather than just progressive, but if this site had confined itself to classically defined Progressive Rock artists, I would have missed out on so much good music. I don't mind a revisionist approach.

As long as the categories are quite clear, I could see much more music of a progressive nature being included here. An important aspect of Prog is the fusion of styles element, so of course many bands/ composers could fit into various categories. We could look for more commonalities structurally (and in terms of influences/ attitude etc.) to broaden this site's parameters even more. I like the idea of more music related to the music in the categories here...

As long as it's labeled clearly, I see no problem with the venture. Perhaps, along with more sections, coming out with more forums would help too so that we don't feel the site is becoming too diluted and convoluted.

I think there may be a place here for people such as Michael Nyman and Philip Glass (a minimalist section perhaps, or whatever). I'd even like to see artists such as Peter Raben and, say, Shigeru Umebayashi here. Hmmm.

And I'd like to see more progressive jazz and funk artists here, but... I do wish Miles Davis was here.

If it's modern, experimental and adventurous, then I think a case can be be made for a band or composer.

It moved away from just rock quite a long time ago, and I for one appreciate that since non rock music may still appeal to my progressive mindset (the progressive part of Prog is more important than the rock part for me).

Edited by Logan - June 21 2007 at 14:37

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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:30

I think the art rock, proto-prog, and prog related categories are open-ended enough for bands like Jimi Hendrix and The Who to be included in, no need to make any big changes

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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:27

That's actually a really good idea, BePink. I don't see why people get steamed when bands are added into the "prog related" section, because no one is saying that they are prog, only that they have some progressive elements, which is hard to deny with most of the bands included there.

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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:15

Well, after reading a bit of the Dredg thread, I had an idea.

Someone (i'm sorry, I don't remember who said it...) said that Dredg definitely had some progressive ideas, but isn't really a prog band. However, they should be in the archives becuase they are a band that fans of prog are undoubtably interested in them and enjoy them.

So I think if we keep it ProgArchive, but add a section for interesting bands with progressive ideas like Dredg and The Who and others we will benefit from it.

If we change the directiong from archiving a definitive list and information of Progressive bands, to a site collecting information of bands that the progressive community enjoys to spread the word about bands, I think that it will give us a site that we all want.

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:12

1. NO. I shall later get back on this.

2. Wrong section. The proper section for this thread is "Help us improve the site".

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Posted: June 21 2007 at 13:58

Hello fellow progheads.

I just read the discussions about the The Who addition. In my opinion there is nothing to discuss because we should add every interesting rock band with progressive ideas, from The Who and The Jimi Hendrix Experience to The Tubes and The Stranglers. OK, this sounds quite cynically but it's based upon the changing of direction I notice since I started to work for Prog Archives early 2004. When you enter the site you will read (excerpt):

ABOUT PROG ARCHIVES

The Prog Archives Web site Project came out from a common dream of a small group of fanatic progressive rock music collectors who decided to develop a WEB SITE for the online progressive rock music community, with the goal of "providing extensive Progressive Rock Music information", as well as interaction features for the prog surfers.

HAVE FUN AND ENJOY THE WEB SITE.

ProgLucky (Rony) and M@X

Well, in my opinion the focus is no longer on "providing extensive Progressive Rock Music information" but also on progressive pop, prog-related, hardrock and the element rock is not really present in prog folk and progressive electronic music. Why many bands with mainly a folky or electronic sound but no rock in their music have been added to Prog Archives while there is so much opposition against bands like The Who and The Jimi Hendrix Experience or on a smaller level The Tubes and The Stranglers, all rock bands with very interesting progressive ideas/elements?

My conclusion: in fact ProgLucky and Max should change the name Prog Archives into Prog Music Archives and mention that this site not only focus on Prog Rock, what are your thoughts about this?

Edited by erik neuteboom - June 21 2007 at 14:03

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The Miracle Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427	Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:33
	It did a long time ago when prog electronic, kraut and avant categories were added, since many artists there aren't remotedly rock
	last.fm

Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37600	Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:31
	I'd like to see more modern progressive music on the non or quasi rock side here -- as long as as the place is well organised with more categories. Rather like the Art Rock category, I'm not keen on the Prog Related category because it's too eclectic in terms of diversity of bands' styles. Nebulous... Multi-tagging would help. It would be ridiculous to change the domain name of this site at this stage, but I do think this could be ProgArchives.com Your ultimate modern progressive music resource. Sure Prog is short for Progressive Rock rather than just progressive, but if this site had confined itself to classically defined Progressive Rock artists, I would have missed out on so much good music. I don't mind a revisionist approach. As long as the categories are quite clear, I could see much more music of a progressive nature being included here. An important aspect of Prog is the fusion of styles element, so of course many bands/ composers could fit into various categories. We could look for more commonalities structurally (and in terms of influences/ attitude etc.) to broaden this site's parameters even more. I like the idea of more music related to the music in the categories here... As long as it's labeled clearly, I see no problem with the venture. Perhaps, along with more sections, coming out with more forums would help too so that we don't feel the site is becoming too diluted and convoluted. I think there may be a place here for people such as Michael Nyman and Philip Glass (a minimalist section perhaps, or whatever). I'd even like to see artists such as Peter Raben and, say, Shigeru Umebayashi here. Hmmm. And I'd like to see more progressive jazz and funk artists here, but... I do wish Miles Davis was here. If it's modern, experimental and adventurous, then I think a case can be be made for a band or composer. It moved away from just rock quite a long time ago, and I for one appreciate that since non rock music may still appeal to my progressive mindset (the progressive part of Prog is more important than the rock part for me). Edited by Logan - June 21 2007 at 14:37

puma Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 15 2007 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 484	Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:30
	I think the art rock, proto-prog, and prog related categories are open-ended enough for bands like Jimi Hendrix and The Who to be included in, no need to make any big changes

thellama73 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368	Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:27
	That's actually a really good idea, BePink. I don't see why people get steamed when bands are added into the "prog related" section, because no one is saying that they are prog, only that they have some progressive elements, which is hard to deny with most of the bands included there.


BePinkTheater Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 01 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1381	Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:15
	Well, after reading a bit of the Dredg thread, I had an idea. Someone (i'm sorry, I don't remember who said it...) said that Dredg definitely had some progressive ideas, but isn't really a prog band. However, they should be in the archives becuase they are a band that fans of prog are undoubtably interested in them and enjoy them. So I think if we keep it ProgArchive, but add a section for interesting bands with progressive ideas like Dredg and The Who and others we will benefit from it. If we change the directiong from archiving a definitive list and information of Progressive bands, to a site collecting information of bands that the progressive community enjoys to spread the word about bands, I think that it will give us a site that we all want.
	I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard

andu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089	Posted: June 21 2007 at 14:12
	1. NO. I shall later get back on this. 2. Wrong section. The proper section for this thread is "Help us improve the site".

erik neuteboom Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659	Posted: June 21 2007 at 13:58
	Hello fellow progheads. I just read the discussions about the The Who addition. In my opinion there is nothing to discuss because we should add every interesting rock band with progressive ideas, from The Who and The Jimi Hendrix Experience to The Tubes and The Stranglers. OK, this sounds quite cynically but it's based upon the changing of direction I notice since I started to work for Prog Archives early 2004. When you enter the site you will read (excerpt): ABOUT PROG ARCHIVES The Prog Archives Web site Project came out from a common dream of a small group of fanatic progressive rock music collectors who decided to develop a WEB SITE for the online progressive rock music community, with the goal of "providing extensive Progressive Rock Music information", as well as interaction features for the prog surfers. HAVE FUN AND ENJOY THE WEB SITE. *ProgLucky (Rony) and M@X* Well, in my opinion the focus is no longer on "providing extensive Progressive Rock Music information" but also on progressive pop, prog-related, hardrock and the element rock is not really present in prog folk and progressive electronic music. Why many bands with mainly a folky or electronic sound but no rock in their music have been added to Prog Archives while there is so much opposition against bands like The Who and The Jimi Hendrix Experience or on a smaller level The Tubes and The Stranglers, all rock bands with very interesting progressive ideas/elements? My conclusion: in fact ProgLucky and Max should change the name Prog Archives into Prog Music Archives and mention that this site not only focus on Prog Rock, what are your thoughts about this? Edited by erik neuteboom - June 21 2007 at 14:03

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